X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: <lendich@aanet.com.au> Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3871565 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:39:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D32B1739AC for <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:39:11 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 24413BEC020 for <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:39:10 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <A73A20FDD3264F10B69EB83BB54E4694@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" <lendich@aanet.com.au> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> References: <list-3870785@logan.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:39:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA432B.0DDD6BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090930-0, 09/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA432B.0DDD6BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, Good work! You certainly picked up on many of the problems associated with auto = engine conversions. I particularly like the mixture block for the Holly = carb.=20 While I was searching for a pen I missed what you said you used for a = damper - did you say you used a fluid damper ? George ( down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stephen haas=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening This will explain alot... Fire away with any questions. = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841&hl=3Den# --- On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> = wrote: From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Don't be shy Ben - we all ears. George ( down under) Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to the group but = a serious auto engine fanatic. I feel your pain on the cooling issues = with a "slow" plane. I can expand on that if you or anyone else is = interested. Tailwinds. Ben. www.haaspowerair.com --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley = <jwhaley@datacast.com> wrote: From: Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 AM I guess some people must actually be flying = =E2=80=A6 Personally, I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly again = after another round of modifications to oil cooling system. My slow, = 105 mph airplane is having difficulty keeping the oil temperature below = redline (210F) above 4000 rpm. Have added a second oil cooler - now = have one each side of engine, similar-looking to dual evaporator cores = (for water) in RVs. Since I can=E2=80=99t cruise at 160 mph have = decided that 2x surface area is needed to make up for 1.6x airspeed. Jeff=20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:16 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Quiet is Deafening =20 Anyone out there ??.....................<:) -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Patrick = Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>: --------------=20 Hey gang!=20 =20 I came across a rare find this weekend.=20 Any serious rotorhead will certainly appreciate = this.=20 =20 Bluelines from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel = Rotary engine.=20 =20 I just put them up on eBay=20 =20 http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20 =20 Pat=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA432B.0DDD6BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16890" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ben,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good work!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You certainly picked up on many of the = problems=20 associated with auto engine conversions. I particularly like the mixture = block=20 for the Holly carb. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While I was searching for a pen I = missed what you=20 said you used for a damper - did you say you used a fluid damper = ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>George ( down under)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dadmin@haaspowerair.com = href=3D"mailto:admin@haaspowerair.com">stephen=20 haas</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20 href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">Rotary motors in = aircraft</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, = 2009 11:59=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet = is=20 Deafening</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=3Dtop> <DIV>This will explain alot... Fire away with any = questions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841&am= p;hl=3Den">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841= &hl=3Den</A>#<BR>---=20 On <B>Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich <I><<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:lendich@aanet.com.au">lendich@aanet.com.au</A>></I></B>= =20 wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From:=20 George Lendich <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:lendich@aanet.com.au">lendich@aanet.com.au</A>><BR>Subj= ect:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening<BR>To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20 <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</= A>><BR>Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM<BR><BR> <DIV id=3Dyiv1864832422>=EF=BB=BF=20 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Don't be shy Ben - we = all=20 ears.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>George ( down = under)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=3Dtop> <DIV>Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to the = group but a=20 serious auto engine fanatic. I feel your pain on the = cooling=20 issues with a "slow" plane. I can expand on that = if you=20 or anyone else is interested.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tailwinds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ben.</DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.haaspowerair.com/" = target=3D_blank=20 rel=3Dnofollow>www.haaspowerair.com</A><BR><BR>--- On = <B>Wed,=20 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley <I><<A=20 = href=3D"http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Djwhaley@datacast.co= m"=20 target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20 = ymailto=3D"mailto:jwhaley@datacast.com">jwhaley@datacast.com</A>></I><= /B>=20 wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From:=20 Jeff Whaley <<A=20 = href=3D"http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Djwhaley@datacast.co= m"=20 target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20 = ymailto=3D"mailto:jwhaley@datacast.com">jwhaley@datacast.com</A>><BR>S= ubject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening<BR>To: "Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft" = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net><BR>Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 AM<BR><BR> <DIV id=3Dyiv1355163408> <STYLE>#yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; panose-1: 2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4 } #yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; panose-1: 2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4 } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 #yiv1355163408 P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman", = "serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman", = "serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman", = "serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman", "serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial", "sans-serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.EmailStyle19 { COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri", "sans-serif" } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE: 10pt } #yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { MARGIN: 1in 1.25in } #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 DIV.Section1 { =09 } </STYLE> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I=20 guess some people must actually be flying=20 =E2=80=A6</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Personally,=20 I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly again after another = round of=20 modifications to oil cooling system. My slow, = 105 mph=20 airplane is having difficulty keeping the oil = temperature=20 below redline (210F) above 4000 rpm. Have = added a=20 second oil cooler - now have one each side of = engine,=20 similar-looking to dual evaporator cores (for water) = in RVs.=20 Since I can=E2=80=99t cruise at 160 mph have = decided that 2x=20 surface area is needed to make up for 1.6x = airspeed.</SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Jeff=20 </SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: = 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium = none"> <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', = 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', = 'sans-serif'">=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <B>On Behalf Of = </B>Kelly Troyer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, = September 30,=20 2009 10:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Rotary motors in=20 aircraft<BR><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Quiet is=20 Deafening</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal>=20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone out there=20 ??.....................<:)</P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV id=3Dsignature> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: = 12pt">--<BR>Kelly=20 Troyer <BR>"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 <BR>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 <BR>"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold=20 <BR><BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal> </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: = 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; = MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; = BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none"> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">-------------- = Original=20 message from "Patrick Panzera"=20 <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>: = --------------=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Hey=20 gang!</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">I=20 came across a rare find this weekend.</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Any=20 serious rotorhead will certainly appreciate = this.</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Bluelines=20 from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel Rotary=20 engine.</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">I=20 just put them up on eBay</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"><A=20 href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings" = target=3D_blank=20 = rel=3Dnofollow>http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings</A></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Pat</SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>=20 <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV></DIV> = <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BL= OCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA432B.0DDD6BB0--