X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3859394 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:20:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48681738C8 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:19:32 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id F2A0FBEC01A for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:19:31 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <5BF6904EEF7F417EB3169EFD4722FA37@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Re RV-8 cooling test Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:19:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090918-0, 09/18/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Charlie, Exhaust augmentation is used to evacuate air form the cowl by way of extending the exhaust approx 2' into a tubular exit area. The exhaust air sucks in surrounding air because it creates a low pressure area. Try pumping compressed air into a tube and feel the surrounding air being drawn into the tube - it's very effective. George ( down under) > Several years ago I spent about 20 minutes talking to Tracy Saylor (sp?) > of 230mph 180hp RV-6 fame. He showed me several relatively minor mods to > his airframe, & then told me that his big gains were under the cowl. He > said that he had a large radius on the bottom of the firewall, & said that > the radius on the -8 is much too small. He also said that he has 'guides' > from the bottom of the cylinders to the exit at the bottom of the cowl. He > also cut his exhaust pipes back inside the cowl to create 'ejector' effect > in the cooling exit air. In the old 'Speed With Economy' book by Kent > Paser (240 mph 160hp Mustang II), he describes & supplies a drawing of > almost exactly the same things, done on his a/c. > > A handful of Lyc powered RV guys have built variations on true exit ducts > that smoothly re-accelerate & direct the exit air, & some (not all) report > significant speed & cooling improvements. > > Maybe it's just me, but it seems like a lot of cooling & speed might be > left on the table by not using exit ducts. > > Charlie > > Tracy Crook wrote: >> Because it looked easy to modify the bottom cowl outlet on the RV-8 to a >> cowl flap configuration I decided to try that before installing some >> louvers in the same area. Attached is a picture of the cowl after I cut >> out the area that would form the bottom of cowl flap. >> Couldn't resist the urge to test fly the plane with that big gaping hole >> in the bottom. I was thinking that it would show if it was the small >> size of the stock opening that was causing the problem or if aerodynamic >> factors dominated. >> >> The 'big hole' outlet ran about 10 degrees cooler than stock which was >> not nearly the improvement I'm looking for so I can't believe that the >> louvers would work in this location. Back to working on the cowl flap in >> the hopes that the low pressure area behind it will extract a lot more >> air. I don't have a warm fuzzy about it though. After this (if it >> doesn't work) I'll try a bluff body extractor vent as described by some >> CAFE Foundation reports. >> >> Just as a point of reference, I have about 35 sq in of inlet area and 52 >> inches of outlet area with the stock cooling outlet. Now I know that >> the inlet area is more than large enough (from the cowl off flight test) >> and the 52 sq In outlet should be enough but I think the pressure is too >> high under the fuselage where the outlet is. >> >> Tracy >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, > > wrote: >> >> Thanks for that. >> I'm making my radiator chin scoop right now. >> I made a 'buck' out of 2 part pour foam, then cut & sanded to >> shape. After laying up the part, and removing it, I began to >> remove the edges. Good thing I made it too deep. Now you guys have >> revisited the Exit/Inlet relationship issue. >> A little time with a ruler, some quick math, and some trimming is >> leading me right to the reccomended 30% bigger exit area than >> inlet area for the radiator. I was going to use Van's original >> exit, but now I'm adding about 1/2" more depth. >> My oil cooler exit area is really over sized. It is kept separate. >> The right cowl inlet is ducted to the oil cooler, then exhausted >> straight out the right side thru louvers. >> The left cowl inlet has not been made yet. It will feed air to the >> turbocharger and provide surface cooling air for the exhaust >> system and fuel injectors. If that chokes the air exit at the >> bottom, I'll have to make a left side hot air exit as well. >> Tracy, your comment about overheated coils and alternator has me >> thinking about blast tubes? >> Scott >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >