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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:05:44 -0500
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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You can fast taxi as long as you keep at least one wheel on the runway
surface.  The tower shouldn't have any problem with you doing a couple of
fast taxis if things are slow.  I did a lot of fast taxis in order to get a
real good feel for the climb angle.  I would accelerate up to the point
where the nose wheel would lift off, then back off the throttle and hold it
that attitude for a few seconds.  It didn't take long and I had a real
good image in my mind of what to expect on first flight.  Just don't get
carried away and run off the end of the runway.  Yeah, I know, you've got 7k
feet of runway.  The end comes at you pretty fast.

Mark S.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@bellairepolice.com>wrote:

>  Good thoughts Mark.  I think that I have not been going full rich at cold
> start up....perhaps out of fear of flooding it. Of course I suppose I could
> just as easily flood it by over priming.  Your way is correct as I remember
> it from Tracy's manual. Like I said, I still need to develope the proper
> techniqes now that I am hopefully moving past some other concerns.
>
> Yeah, OAT may be the difference.  It does get pretty hot on the ramp.
> Usually I am able to get past 6000 without too much probems.
>
> No, I have not done any high speed taxi runs.  Just some "go-kart" runs
> around the ramp.  I do not have to contact EFD ground or tower for that and
> I aways assumed I should have my airworthyness signed off before I take 'er
> out to a real runway <g>
>
> Other thoughts welcome.
>
> All the best,
>
> Chris
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf
> Of Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 PM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston
>
>  Chris,
>
> I know that each engine/installation is unique, I usually don't have to
> prime even once when cold (summertime), and never when hot (doesn't need the
> extra help igniting the fuel mixture).  However, I always go rich on the
> mixture knob (full rich for a cold start, 2-3 o'clock position for a warm
> start).  It always starts within a few seconds of cranking. I would try
> priming less when hot and see what happens.  Also, I would check your idle
> mixture settings.  If it takes that much priming, it sounds like it may
> tuned be a bit on the lean side.
> My take on your static rpm question is that OAT may be the cause of the
> variations.  Sounds like you've got enough to get off the ground.  Have you
> done any fast taxi runs?  You've got plenty of runway.
>
> Mark
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@bellairepolice.com>wrote:
>
>>  Oh, also, I am having a bit of trouble to get it to start when hot.
>> Seems to crank right up when cold, but I seem to have to hold my tounge just
>> right to fire it up when hot.  I think it MAY have to do with the different
>> mixture and priming needed when hot.  It seems to like about six to ten
>> prime shots when cold, but may like more when hot....not sure yet. Annoying
>> though.....especially when trying to show off to the curious....who heard
>> the engine a few minutes ealier <g>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
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>
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<div>You can fast taxi as long as you keep at least one wheel on the runway=
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le of fast taxis if things are slow.=A0 I did a lot of fast taxis in order =
to get=A0a real good=A0feel for the climb angle.=A0 I would accelerate up t=
o the point where the nose wheel would lift off, then back off the throttle=
 and hold it that attitude for a few seconds.=A0 It didn&#39;t take long an=
d I had a real good=A0image in my mind=A0of=A0what to expect on first fligh=
t.=A0 Just don&#39;t get carried away=A0and run off the end of the runway.=
=A0=A0Yeah, I know, you&#39;ve got 7k feet of runway.=A0=A0The end=A0comes=
=A0at you=A0pretty fast.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Mark S.<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Chris Barber <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cbarber@bellairepolice.com">cbarber@b=
ellairepolice.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Tahoma" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2">Good th=
oughts Mark.=A0 I think that I have not been going full rich at cold start =
up....perhaps out of fear of flooding it. Of course I suppose I could just =
as easily flood it by over priming.=A0 Your way is correct as I remember it=
 from Tracy&#39;s manual.=A0Like I said, I still need to develope the prope=
r techniqes now that I am hopefully moving past some other concerns.</font>=
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">Yeah, OAT may be the diff=
erence.=A0 It does get pretty hot on the ramp.=A0 Usually I am able to get =
past 6000 without too much probems.</font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">No, I have not done any h=
igh speed taxi runs.=A0 Just some &quot;go-kart&quot; runs around the ramp.=
=A0 I do not have to contact EFD ground or tower for that and I aways assum=
ed I should have my airworthyness signed off before I take &#39;er out to a=
 real runway &lt;g&gt;</font></div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">Other thoughts welcome.</=
font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">All the best,</font></div=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">Chris</font></div>
<div style=3D"DIRECTION: ltr">
<hr>
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> Rotary motors in aircraft [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target=3D"_blank">flyrotary@la=
ncaironline.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle [<a href=3D"mailto:msteitle@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">msteitle@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rotary moto=
rs in aircraft<br><b>Subject:</b> [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Hous=
ton<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div>Chris, </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I know that each engine/installation is unique, I usually don&#39;t ha=
ve to prime even once when cold (summertime), and never when hot (doesn&#39=
;t need the extra help igniting the fuel mixture).=A0 However, I always go =
rich on the mixture knob (full rich=A0for a cold start,=A02-3 o&#39;clock p=
osition=A0for a warm start).=A0 It always starts within a few seconds of cr=
anking.=A0I would try priming less when hot and see what happens.=A0 Also, =
I would check your idle mixture settings.=A0 If it takes that much priming,=
 it sounds like it may tuned=A0be a bit on the lean side.=A0=A0 <br>
</div>
<div>My take on=A0your static rpm question=A0is that OAT may be the cause o=
f the variations.=A0 Sounds like you&#39;ve got enough to get off the groun=
d.=A0 Have you done any fast taxi runs?=A0 You&#39;ve got plenty of runway.=
=A0 </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Mark<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Chris Barber <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cbarber@bellairepolice.com" target=3D=
"_blank">cbarber@bellairepolice.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<p>Oh, also, I am having a bit of trouble to get it to start when hot.=A0 S=
eems to crank right up when cold, but I seem to have to hold my tounge just=
 right to fire it up when hot.=A0 I think it MAY have to do with the differ=
ent mixture and priming needed when hot.=A0 It seems to like about six to t=
en prime shots when cold, but may like more when hot....not sure yet. Annoy=
ing though.....especially when trying to show off to the curious....who hea=
rd the engine a few minutes ealier &lt;g&gt;</p>

<div>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman">Thanks.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman">All the best,</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font face=3D"times new roman">Chris</font></p><br></div>
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