X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com ([209.85.218.206] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3839330 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:50:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.206; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so77509bwz.19 for ; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:50:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=daqx4Zf5zH1e8v2sAxnOcvjWmqLrKasnh2HgtRGajCs=; b=CDQ9xCN0uVeUlwL1jR1ifIdnQ6AeXaA/5AQPFxOiDelGrz34QW9X7jxymO+d5aTzi1 gzoLbkKT5uCGhJGbFsVk31Z8cfEDBjvdem8ZJ8M9mfNYzRdNntyxru7GzQ4vBIfG10lR PmDdMs8xAqVgRdHE0H5f2vICGII1LBqYzQNBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZJFKUENEVKpipaR2mPyiBKvHuT7E/dm22zU2EJkNx3P9sgpNDoYQYXh7M7FJdkkLv3 9FynyVSL3V6yonqrsSo/tiYdqqb6h6fxApQZwmOfuCq6B1Xn6A/KfxNt5eaplIcMvzGC 7CIXIjXxx0bNj+DqNVDKxCR+sEzLpCjA+evKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.24 with SMTP id z24mr11473061bkw.208.1252277411958; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:50:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: <5cf132c0909061550m1a691235q5d914953fc2fa4b2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Progess continuing From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d06404cd2300472f08ef2 --0015175d06404cd2300472f08ef2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Chris, I think we've all heard those same arguments. With attitudes like that it is a miracle that we ever made it to the moon. Heck, we probably have a few serious flaws we could point out on the Lycosarus, but usually bite our tongues. Here's my response to those concerns: Apex seals - problem solved long ago Crank (eccentric) - no problem, they don't break Hot Exhaust - that's what inconel was made for Engine RPM's - rotors turn 1/3 crank speed and they're made of cast iron. After that, they usually turn and walk away. Mark On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Chris Barber wrote: > Well, I mentioned I was having some injector issues. I was getting shut > down when trying to use the secondaries and incredible bad running leading > to shut down with just the secondaries. > > Since the last time it was running smoothly was just before I pulled the > bad B&C regulator to send it back, I started at the basics....perhaps I had > dislodged something when I was working around wires. YEP....I found one of > my spade terminals had pulled off the secondary switch. Reattached and she > fired up and ran well in all switch combinations. > > Oh....just a little side commentary. Save me from "experts". My friends > in a hangar close by hired a "build expert" to help them get past some > concerns with their build (they are both NASA engineer big wigs and are > quite thorough in all their dealings. Good people). However, even though > the "expert" seemed nice enough and I am sure he knows his business, he > could not be much more condescending. "Well, you know the problem with the > rotary is......hot exhaust.....and you know about the apex seals, don't > cha". Do you really want to rev the engine up that much, your crank shaft > may not be able to take it with a load Also, that is not the best prop". > "Your engine should not be surging that way" ......well, considering I > was throttling it up and down on purpose, I think it should. > > That is about the extent of the "conversation". No idle chit chat, just > "helpful" commentary. Interesting too since his expert status comes from > building various airframes.....AFAIK, not engines. AND, maybe he is right > about it all? > > GEEEEESH. Bless his helpful intent. But please. Criticism I can take, > constructive criticism I seek, but condensation I can do without. > > Vent over. Thank you. for your support. > > All the best > > Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD > Badge 330 > Bellaire Police Department > 5110 Jessamine > Bellaire, Texas 77401 > > 713-668-0487 > 713-662-8289 fax > > CBarber@BellairePolice.com > > Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous > e-mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible > for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information > contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you > have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by > telephone at 713-662-8132 and destroy the original transmission and its > attachments without reading them. Thank you. > > --0015175d06404cd2300472f08ef2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
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I think we've all heard those same arguments.=A0 With attitudes li= ke that it is a miracle that we ever made it to the moon.=A0=A0 Heck, we pr= obably have=A0a few=A0serious flaws=A0we could point out on the Lycosarus, = but usually bite our tongues.=A0
=A0
Here's my response to those concerns:
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Apex seals - problem solved long ago
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Crank (eccentric) - no problem, they don't break
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Hot Exhaust - that's what inconel was made=A0for
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Engine RPM's -=A0rotors turn 1/3 crank speed and they= 're made of cast iron.
=A0
After that, they usually turn and walk away.=A0
=A0
Mark

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@be= llairepolice.com> wrote:
Well, I = mentioned I was having some injector issues.=A0 I was getting shut down whe= n trying to use the secondaries and incredible bad running leading to shut = down with just the secondaries.
=A0
Since the last time it was= running smoothly was just before I pulled the bad B&C regulator to sen= d it back, I started at the basics....perhaps I had dislodged something whe= n I was working around wires.=A0 YEP....I found one of my spade terminals h= ad pulled off the secondary switch.=A0 Reattached and she fired up and ran = well in all switch combinations.
=A0
Oh....just a little side c= ommentary.=A0 Save me from "experts".=A0 My friends in a hangar c= lose by hired a "build expert" to help them get past some concern= s with their build (they are both NASA engineer big wigs and are quite thor= ough in all their dealings.=A0 Good people).=A0 However, even though the &q= uot;expert" seemed nice enough and I am sure he knows his business, he= could not be much more condescending.=A0=A0 "Well, you know the probl= em with the rotary is......hot exhaust.....and you know about the apex seal= s, don't cha".=A0 Do you really want to rev the engine up that muc= h, your crank shaft may not be able to take it with a load=A0 Also, that is= not the best prop".=A0 "Your engine should not be surging that w= ay"=A0=A0=A0 ......well, considering I was throttling it up and down o= n purpose, I think it should.
=A0
That is about the extent o= f the "conversation".=A0 No idle chit chat, just "helpful&qu= ot; commentary.=A0 Interesting too since his expert status comes from build= ing various airframes.....AFAIK, not engines.=A0 AND, maybe he is right abo= ut it all?
=A0
GEEEEESH. Bless his helpfu= l intent.=A0 But please.=A0 Criticism I can take, constructive criticism I = seek, but condensation I can do without.
=A0
Vent over.=A0 Thank you. f= or your support. <g>
=A0
All the=A0 best
= =A0
Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD
Badge 330
Bellaire Police Department
5110 Jessamine
Bellaire, Texas 77401
=A0
713-668-0487
713-662-8289 fax
=A0
CBarber@BellairePolice.com
Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-= mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legally = privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible= for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that = any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information cont= ained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you ha= ve received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by tel= ephone at 713-662-8132 and destroy the original transmission and its attach= ments without reading them. Thank you.


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