X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3751459 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:31:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709223104788.EIJO21390@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:31:04 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive and well!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:31:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01CA00C3.69CEBE60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcoAxVd/RbD9DBusSdCS3fKhwc+fSAAH0FgQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20090709223104788.EIJO21390@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CA00C3.69CEBE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand, Mark, But there are those who's minds are made up and no explanation is going to change the fact that an "Alternative Engine" was being used. Certainly, we all want to know and I agree - I seriously doubt it was anything internal to the engine. Give that apparently no warning occurred, I would say electrical in nature - but, just a guess on my part. Of course an electrical problem could result in a fuel problem very quickly. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:44 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive and well!!!!!!!!!!! Ed, The bottom line is that whenever a rotary powered a/c crashes the nay-sayers all shout "We told you that using automobile engines in airplanes is a bad idea", or something close. We need to follow up on this engine stoppage to find out what actually caused the engine to quit. I would be very surprised if it turns out that the rotary engine itself failed, but more realistically expect that it was a system failure (fuel, lubrication, ignition, psru, etc.). Regardless, the powerplant isn't any stronger than its weakest link. I bring this up not to criticize, but because I truly hope to learn what went wrong in order to help advance the state of the art of rotary engine installations. Oly did a great job of flying! He's obviously a very skilled (and lucky) pilot to survive this ordeal without a scratch. Mark S. Lancair ES - 20B On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: For what little of the wreckage you could see in the video, I rather doubt much of anything is salvageable. But, you are right it was a one-of-a-kind beauty. For what its worth, Oly purchased the aircraft with the rotary already in it. He worked hard to make the installation work right - but, don't know how much he changed other than the intake. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:45 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive and well!!!!!!!!!!! Here is a photo of Oly's Viggen, Hope it is saveable because it is a beauty. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradburry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive and well!!!!!!!!!!! I am glad Oly is OK. Sounds like he did a great piece of flying to get upright before the tree caught him. Apparently God placed the tree there for him. It is a shame he didn't have a lottery ticket at the time! There is a lot more going on here than just a rotary engine. The plane is supposed to be plastic and stall at 48 mph and is stall resistant as well. This plane was a metal variant (MiniViggen??). When Rutan gives up on a plane, there may be a reason. Then there is that high thrust line??? From Wiki: __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CA00C3.69CEBE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I understand, Mark,  But there = are those who’s minds are made up and no explanation is going to change the = fact that an “Alternative Engine” was being used.  Certainly, we all want to know and I = agree - I seriously doubt it was anything internal to the = engine.

 

Give that apparently no warning = occurred, I would say electrical in nature – but, just a guess on my = part.  Of course an electrical problem could result in a fuel problem very = quickly.

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Thursday, July 09, = 2009 2:44 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive = and well!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ed,

 

The bottom line is that whenever a rotary powered a/c crashes = the nay-sayers all shout "We told you that using automobile = engines in airplanes is a bad idea", or something close.  We need to = follow up on this engine stoppage to find out what actually caused = the engine to quit.  I would be very surprised if it turns out = that the rotary engine itself failed, but more realistically expect that it was a = system failure (fuel, lubrication, ignition, psru, etc.).  = Regardless, the powerplant isn't any stronger than its weakest link.  =

 

I bring this up not to criticize, but because I truly hope to learn what went wrong in order to help advance the = state of the art of rotary engine installations.  =

 

Oly did a great job of flying!  He's obviously a very = skilled (and lucky) pilot to survive this ordeal without a = scratch. 

 

Mark S.

Lancair ES - 20B

 

 


 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t; wrote:

For what little of the wreckage you could see in the = video, I rather doubt much of anything is salvageable.  But, you are right = it was a one-of-a-kind beauty.  For what its worth, Oly purchased the = aircraft with the rotary already in it.  He worked hard to make the installation = work right – but, don’t know how much he changed other than the = intake. 

 

Ed

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael = Silvius
Sent: Thursday, July 09, = 2009 2:45 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Accident - Oly Olson Down but Alive = and well!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Here is a photo of Oly's Viggen, Hope it is saveable because it is a = beauty.

 

Michael

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Bradburry =

Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 = 9:13 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Accident - = Oly Olson Down but Alive and = well!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am glad Oly is OK.  Sounds = like he did a great piece of flying to get upright before the tree caught him.  Apparently God placed the tree there for him.  It is a shame he = didn’t have a lottery ticket at the time!

There is a lot more going on here than just a rotary engine.  The plane is = supposed to be plastic and stall at 48 mph and is stall resistant as well.  = This plane was a metal variant (MiniViggen??).  When Rutan gives up on a = plane, there may be a reason.  Then there is that high thrust = line???

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