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Barry Gardner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fire Shield or Heat Sheild [FlyRotary] Re: P MAlternator Project > Is Anti-Freeze flammable???? > Greg Ward > Lancair 20B in progress > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Christley" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:32 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fire Shield or Heat Sheild [FlyRotary] Re: P > MAlternator Project > > >> Bob Perkinson wrote: >>> The best fire suppression system is just plane water. Before I >>> retired we replaced all of our CO2 fire suppression systems with high >>> press. water mist. 30 gal of water replaced 6 150# CO2 bottles. The >>> idea is the water will spray out in a fine mist and instantly turn to >>> steam, this removes the heat from the combustion and also displaces >>> the air. I know that displacing the air would be hard to do in a >>> moving aircraft but removing the heat would definitely put out the >>> fire if the mist were spraying on and in the area of the exhaust this >>> may prevent what ever fluid is leaking from re-combustion. A high >>> press. water system big enough to be able to do this would be weighty >>> and take up a considerable amount of room (Water container + high >>> press. gas cylinder plus high press piping and spray nozzles.) I am >>> not sure how to figure the btu's stored in the exhaust system, but >>> fairly sure that it would be a function of the mass of the eshaust >>> system and the temp. of the metal, this would dictate how much water >>> would be neede to remove this heat. Water would have to be kept above >>> freezing, this throws another kink in the logestics of this type of >>> system. >>> Somone out there may have an idea on this and how to make this a >>> practical system. >>> >>> Bob P. >> >> Most of us rotary guys already carry a water reservoir that is protected >> from freezing. If your engine compartment is on fire, you probably >> won't be overly concerned with the internals of your engine getting to >> hot. >> >> You just need a way to mist the water. I suggest an unregulated fuel >> pump into some metal tubing and out through three or four strategically >> placed agricultural misting nozzles. >> >> The cooling system only uses a few quarts, but how many do you need once >> you cut the fuel supply? >> >> -- >> >> http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html