X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.104] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3743283 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:00:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.104; envelope-from=keltro@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=att.net; s=dkim01; i=keltro@att.net; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1246582809; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=s7NhTE QPlLwK7MBeIkQzg7ZkKpEnAU/yd5eZ4ZYJgiU=; b=jasksxwwrUDcBH7EhwtLcoXVv qHDlfmOR348e0K3aAPjUKA9NRgnXQ3Zqnm+W0KiorNQae6dTnOcFof3rLVFng== Received: from fwebmail02.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.152]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20090703005934H0400hfkq1e>; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:59:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.152] Received: from [65.255.71.48] by fwebmail02.isp.att.net; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:59:33 +0000 From: "Kelly Troyer" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Firewall insulation was P M Alternator Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:59:33 +0000 Message-Id: <070320090059.2136.4A4D57F5000924160000085822216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF019D9B040A05@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2136_1246582773_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2136_1246582773_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd and group, In reference to the Von Alexander tragedy and airborne inflight fire..= ..... I do not=20 know how others of the group feel about parachutes but many years ago (when= I=20 was 45 years old) I trained in skydiving because as an aircraft homebuilder= I wanted to be less afraid of using my parachute in the event (no matter how remote)= of an inflight emergency (structural or fire) then staying with an aircraft when = there was no chance of my survival............Be advised skydiving turned out to fun and= turned into=20 another hobby but my main objective was obtained.........I would have no he= sitation=20 to the use of my parachute if it becomes necessary !!.........Of course any= thing one can do to prevent or slow down a fire from getting to the cockpit is pruden= t....FWIW -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from Todd Bartrim : ----= ----------=20 Hi Kelly; I've finished the first phase of getting the darned thing in there. Sec= ond phase will be actually running it to test it. I haven't yet bought a vo= ltage regulator or even given any thought as to tying it into the electrica= l system, though I don't expect any problems here. I just finished writing = a full report on how to do this installation, just need to proof read it an= d export it into a PDF or something small enough to post. It's currently in= .odt and 24Mb. Maybe I'll see if I can just put it on the Rotary Wiki. You= can probably expect it late tonight (pacific time). Second phase will likely be late summer or early fall, as I'm about to = completely remove the entire FWF in order to install a ceramic blanket heat= shield in one piece. Some of you may remember the Von Alexander story abou= t an RV8 pilot that jumped to his death in order to avoid flames in the coc= kpit. Well my boy wants to go flying real bad, but that's something I alway= s think about. So while it's not something I plan to happen, It's one more = base I'd like to cover as best I can. I wish I'd done something like this w= hile building initially, but there wasn't much available back then. A builder by the name of Vince Frazier has started FlyBoy accessories and o= ffers a firewall insulation kit that is ideal and affordable. Ironically, V= ince bought his initial tool set from Von Alexander's widow. So I've ordere= d this kit http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=3Dpro= duct_info&cPath=3D1&products_id=3D204 I will completely strip the firewall in order to install it in one piece wi= th as few penetrations as possible. While it's off I plan to change some things on my cooling system, based on = some of the recent successes I've seen here on the list in the last few yea= rs since I first completed my plane (it's never really completed). But even= these projects will be delayed by other non-aircraft projects that I have = to get done. Todd C-FSTB RV9 13B On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 17:52 +0000, Kelly Troyer wrote:=20 Todd,=20 Just How is Your PM Alternator Project going ??.......We are all hopefu= l that it will lessen a possible alternator fail point by virtue of being d= irect drive and eliminating the drive belt......=20 -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2136_1246582773_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2136_1246582773_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2136_1246582773_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Todd and group,
     In reference to the Von Alexander tragedy and= airborne inflight fire....... I do not
know how others of the group feel about parachutes but many years= ago (when I
was 45 years old) I trained in skydiving because as an aircraft h= omebuilder I wanted
to be less afraid of using my parachute in the event (no matter how re= mote) of an
inflight emergency (structural or fire) then staying with an airc= raft when there was no
chance of my survival............Be advised skydiving turned out to fu= n and turned into
another hobby but my main objective was obtained.........I would = have no hesitation
to the use of my parachute if it becomes necessary !!.........Of cours= e anything one
can do to prevent or slow down a fire from getting to the cockpit is p= rudent....FWIW
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_1= 3B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d






 
-------------- Original message from Todd Bartrim <bartri= m@gmail.com>: --------------

Hi Kelly;
  &n= bsp; I've finished the first phase of getting the darned thing in there. Se= cond phase will be actually running it to test it. I haven't yet bought a v= oltage regulator or even given any thought as to tying it into the electric= al system, though I don't expect any problems here. I just finished writing= a full report on how to do this installation, just need to proof read it a= nd export it into a PDF or something small enough to post. It's currently i= n .odt and 24Mb. Maybe I'll see if I can just put it on the Rotary Wiki. Yo= u can probably expect it late tonight (pacific time).
   = Second phase will likely be late summer or early fall, as I'm about to com= pletely remove the entire FWF in order to install a ceramic blanket heat sh= ield in one piece. Some of you may remember the Von Alexander story about a= n RV8 pilot that jumped to his death in order to avoid flames in the cockpi= t. Well my boy wants to go flying real bad, but that's something I always t= hink about. So while it's not something I plan to happen, It's one more bas= e I'd like to cover as best I can. I wish I'd done something like this whil= e building initially, but there wasn't much available back then.
A build= er by the name of Vince Frazier has started FlyBoy accessories and offers a= firewall insulation kit that is ideal and affordable. Ironically, Vince bo= ught his initial tool set from Von Alexander's widow. So I've ordered this = kit http://www.flyboyacces= sories.com/store/index.php?main_page=3Dproduct_info&cPath=3D1&produ= cts_id=3D204
I will completely strip the firewall in order to instal= l it in one piece with as few penetrations as possible.
While it's off I= plan to change some things on my cooling system, based on some of the rece= nt successes I've seen here on the list in the last few years=20since I fir= st completed my plane (it's never really completed). But even these project= s will be delayed by other non-aircraft projects that I have to get done.
Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13B

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 17:52 +0000, K= elly Troyer wrote:=20

Todd,
    Just How is Your PM Alter= nator Project going ??.......We are all hopeful that it will lessen a = possible alternator fail point by virtue of being direct drive an= d eliminating the drive belt......
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY En= gine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold


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