X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3742622 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:23:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090702142242033.IGOG19903@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:22:42 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:22:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C9FAFF.08785C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acn7HJtNPFphRfMeQiCaoBkuq6dkBwAAoCXA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20090702142242033.IGOG19903@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C9FAFF.08785C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, Greg, with your point that too many lists have gotten wrapped around issues that had nothing or little to do with the reason the list was created. Politics, religion, social and environmental issues not to mention other issues around the world may be significant. However, there is little this list can do about such things and the "charter" for this list is "Fly Rotary". That said, I think we try to offer "gentle reminders" when we believe someone may have strayed a bit far off course. But, then just my personal opinion of course. Unfortunately, politics in this country is beginning to infringe on areas it never has before - so, perhaps not unwise to stay apprise of what the politicians are up to - especially if it affects our endeavors here. But, must admit, my personal preference is to focus on topics here - that that get us flying. YMMV Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Earley Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:54 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Hi Greg, and others I guess... Sorry if I offended anyone here. I just have a problem with off-topic postings, esp of a political nature. It's just too easy for newsgroup members to address a large number of eager readers with stuff that may not be germane to the interest at hand. I understand that Greg's posting was not as off-topic as others, and I'll take my 40 deserved whacks. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Ward To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I meant that if all was well, I wouldn't be saying this "crap". All is not well in this climate of "change", and as an airman with substantial investment in my aircraft, engine, and training, not to mention my freedom, I think this is the perfect place to bring this "crap" to light. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog saving attachments on my 450 H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there be. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Earley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Greg, If you "don't really mean to", THEN DON'T! You gotta know by now that this is not the place for this crap. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Ward To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Don't really mean to get into politics on this list, but you all need to look at Section 276 of the manager's Amendment of this nightmare bill that just passed the Congress, http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_managerssummary.pd f It will affect all of us if this passes. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Boese To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: frustrating couple of days Mike, I have developed a system where it is possible to observe and record once per second about 20 parameters that the EC2 is using. It has proven useful to me to understand the workings of the EC2 and may be useful in diagnosing what is happening with your system. It requires either a laptop with a serial interface or a USB to serial adapter, or an IPAQ with a serial interface. A voltage level converter which converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and costs about $20 is also required. If the EC2 is accessible and a 1-inch long connector can be inserted between the EC2 and the existing connector, no wiring changes are required. If you are interested in trying this system, let me know, and I'll send you a CD with the software and instructions. Steve Boese -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] frustrating couple of days I havent flown my RV since a couple of cases of lost data in the EC2 back in february. Spent the last few months making a bunch of mods, some suggested by Tracy, others were things that I thought might increase long term reliability. Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in the ensuing period. Been working up toward renewing flight testing. Engine has been running really well for the last few months. Thought that the problem was cured, though not clear how. Then on saturday found that once again my B controller had lost all data. Engine wouldnt run at any throttle setting on B. Restored the B controller by copying A > B. Last night after work ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes at various throttle settings and it ran as good as always. Also ran fine on the B controller. Tonight after work I fired it up. Ran fine initially. After about 15 minutes noted some minor surging at a couple of throttle settings below 2000 RPM. Also noticed that in this RPM range where the mixture had previously been fine, my mixture monitor is off the scale lean. Slowly got worse, to the point that it wouldnt idle at what was previously a solid 1350RPM. Couldnt get it to run at all below 1500, everything between 1500 and about 3000 RPM pretty rough. Everything over 3000 is fine. No idea what caused this change. I put the airplane away and walked away in disgust. I'm back to where I was a year ago and I'm just about fed up with this thing. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4203 (20090701) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4209 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C9FAFF.08785C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree, Greg, with your point that = too many lists have gotten wrapped around issues that had nothing or little = to do with the reason the list was created.

 

Politics, religion, social and = environmental issues not to mention other issues around the world may be = significant.  However, there is little this list can do about such things and the = “charter” for this list is “Fly Rotary”.  =

 

That said, I think we try to offer = “gentle reminders” when we believe someone may have strayed a bit far off course.  But, then just my personal opinion of course.  Unfortunately, politics in this country is beginning to infringe on = areas it never has before – so, perhaps not unwise to stay apprise of what = the politicians are up to – especially if it affects our endeavors = here.

 

 But, must admit, my personal = preference is to  focus on topics  here - that that get us = flying.

 

YMMV

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Earley
Sent: Thursday, July 02, = 2009 9:54 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = We are in deep doo-doo

 

Hi Greg, and others I = guess...

 

Sorry if I offended anyone here. I just have a = problem with off-topic postings, esp of a political nature. It's just too easy for = newsgroup members to address a large number of eager readers with stuff that may = not be germane to the interest at hand. I understand that Greg's posting was = not as off-topic as others, and I'll take my 40 = deserved whacks.

 

Bob

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Greg Ward

Sent: = Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:33 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo

 

When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I = meant that if all was well, I wouldn't be saying this "crap".  All = is not well in this climate of "change", and as an airman with = substantial investment in my aircraft, engine, and training, not to mention my = freedom, I think this is the perfect place to bring this "crap" to = light.

Greg = Ward

Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog = saving attachments on my 450 H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there = be.

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Bob Earley

Sent: = Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:17 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo

 

Greg,

 

If you "don't really mean to", THEN DON'T! =

 

You gotta know by now that this is not the place for = this crap.

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Greg Ward

Sent: = Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:51 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo

 

Don't really mean to get into politics on = this list, but you all need to look at Section 276 of the manager's Amendment of = this nightmare bill that just passed the Congress, http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_m= anagerssummary.pdf  It will affect all of us if this = passes.

Greg = Ward

Lancair 20B in = progress

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:39 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: frustrating couple of days

 

Mike,

 

I have developed a system where it = is possible to observe and record once per second about 20 parameters that = the EC2 is using.  It has proven useful to me to understand the workings of = the EC2 and may be useful in diagnosing what is happening with your = system.  It requires either a laptop with a serial interface or a USB to serial = adapter, or an IPAQ with a serial interface.  A voltage level converter = which converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and costs about $20 is also required.  If the EC2 is accessible and a 1-inch long connector can = be inserted between the EC2 and the existing connector, no wiring changes are required.  If you are interested in trying this system, let me = know, and I’ll send you a CD with the software and instructions.  =

 

Steve = Boese

  =

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, = 2009 10:10 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = frustrating couple of days

 

I havent flown my RV since = a couple of cases of lost data in the EC2 back in february. Spent the last few = months making a bunch of mods, some suggested by Tracy, others were things that I thought might increase long term reliability. = Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in the ensuing = period.

 

Been working up toward = renewing flight testing. Engine has been running really well for the last few = months. Thought that the problem was cured, though not clear how. Then on = saturday found that once again my B controller had lost all data. Engine wouldnt = run at any throttle setting on B. Restored the B controller by copying A > = B.

 

Last night after work = ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes at various throttle settings and it ran as = good as always. Also ran fine on the B controller.

 

Tonight after work I fired = it up. Ran fine initially. After about 15 minutes noted some minor surging at a = couple of throttle settings below 2000 RPM. Also noticed that in this RPM range = where the mixture had previously been fine, my mixture monitor is off the = scale lean. Slowly got worse, to the point that it wouldnt idle at what = was previously a solid 1350RPM. Couldnt get it to run at all below 1500, = everything between 1500 and about 3000 RPM pretty rough. Everything over 3000 is = fine. No idea what caused this change. I put the airplane away and walked away in disgust. I'm back to where I was a year ago and I'm just about fed up = with this thing.

 

Mike = Wills

RV-4 = N144MW



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