X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.211] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3742580 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:54:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.59.211; envelope-from=bob_earley@comcast.net Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B1Xi1c0040SCNGk5B1tk1R; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:53:44 +0000 Received: from hppav ([71.232.146.82]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B1tj1c00W1mti3r3V1tjVm; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:53:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c9fb1c$8415d850$5292e847@hppav> From: "Bob Earley" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:53:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C9FAFA.FCCEA960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C9FAFA.FCCEA960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, and others I guess... Sorry if I offended anyone here. I just have a problem with off-topic = postings, esp of a political nature. It's just too easy for newsgroup = members to address a large number of eager readers with stuff that may = not be germane to the interest at hand. I understand that Greg's posting = was not as off-topic as others, and I'll take my 40 deserved whacks. Bob ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Ward=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I meant that if all was well, = I wouldn't be saying this "crap". All is not well in this climate of = "change", and as an airman with substantial investment in my aircraft, = engine, and training, not to mention my freedom, I think this is the = perfect place to bring this "crap" to light. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog saving attachments on my 450 = H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there be. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Earley=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Greg, If you "don't really mean to", THEN DON'T!=20 You gotta know by now that this is not the place for this crap. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Ward=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Don't really mean to get into politics on this list, but you all = need to look at Section 276 of the manager's Amendment of this nightmare = bill that just passed the Congress, = http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_managerssummary= .pdf It will affect all of us if this passes. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steven Boese=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: frustrating couple of days Mike, =20 I have developed a system where it is possible to observe and = record once per second about 20 parameters that the EC2 is using. It = has proven useful to me to understand the workings of the EC2 and may be = useful in diagnosing what is happening with your system. It requires = either a laptop with a serial interface or a USB to serial adapter, or = an IPAQ with a serial interface. A voltage level converter which = converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and costs about $20 is also = required. If the EC2 is accessible and a 1-inch long connector can be = inserted between the EC2 and the existing connector, no wiring changes = are required. If you are interested in trying this system, let me know, = and I=92ll send you a CD with the software and instructions. =20 =20 Steve Boese =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] frustrating couple of days =20 I havent flown my RV since a couple of cases of lost data in the = EC2 back in february. Spent the last few months making a bunch of mods, = some suggested by Tracy, others were things that I thought might = increase long term reliability. Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in = the ensuing period. =20 Been working up toward renewing flight testing. Engine has been = running really well for the last few months. Thought that the problem = was cured, though not clear how. Then on saturday found that once again = my B controller had lost all data. Engine wouldnt run at any throttle = setting on B. Restored the B controller by copying A > B. =20 Last night after work ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes = at various throttle settings and it ran as good as always. Also ran fine = on the B controller. =20 Tonight after work I fired it up. Ran fine initially. After = about 15 minutes noted some minor surging at a couple of throttle = settings below 2000 RPM. Also noticed that in this RPM range where the = mixture had previously been fine, my mixture monitor is off the scale = lean. Slowly got worse, to the point that it wouldnt idle at what was = previously a solid 1350RPM. Couldnt get it to run at all below 1500, = everything between 1500 and about 3000 RPM pretty rough. Everything over = 3000 is fine. No idea what caused this change. I put the airplane away = and walked away in disgust. I'm back to where I was a year ago and I'm = just about fed up with this thing. =20 Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 4203 (20090701) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 4209 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C9FAFA.FCCEA960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg, and others I = guess...
 
Sorry if I offended anyone here. I just = have a=20 problem with off-topic postings, esp of a political nature. It's just = too easy=20 for newsgroup members to address a large number of eager readers with = stuff that=20 may not be germane to the interest at hand. I understand that Greg's = posting was=20 not as off-topic as others, and I'll take my 40=20 deserved whacks.
 
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Ward
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 = 1:33=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are = in deep=20 doo-doo

When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I = meant that=20 if all was well, I wouldn't be saying this "crap".  All is not = well in=20 this climate of "change", and as an airman with substantial investment = in my=20 aircraft, engine, and training, not to mention my freedom, I think = this is the=20 perfect place to bring this "crap" to light.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog = saving=20 attachments on my 450 H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there=20 be.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob=20 Earley
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, = 2009 4:17=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We = are in deep=20 doo-doo

Greg,
 
If you "don't really mean to", THEN = DON'T!=20
 
You gotta know by now that this is = not the=20 place for this crap.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Greg Ward
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, = 2009 1:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We = are in=20 deep doo-doo

Don't really mean to get into politics = on this=20 list, but you all need to look at Section 276 of the manager's = Amendment=20 of this nightmare bill that just passed the Congress, http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_m= anagerssummary.pdf =20 It will affect all of us if this passes.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in = progress
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Steven Boese=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, = 2009 9:39=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 frustrating couple of days

Mike,

 

I = have=20 developed a system where it is possible to observe and record = once per=20 second about 20 parameters that the EC2 is using.  It has proven useful = to me to=20 understand the workings of the EC2 and may be useful in = diagnosing what=20 is happening with your system. =20 It requires either a laptop with a serial interface or a = USB to=20 serial adapter, or an IPAQ with a serial interface.  A voltage level = converter which=20 converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and costs about $20 = is also=20 required.  If the = EC2 is=20 accessible and a 1-inch long connector can be inserted between = the EC2=20 and the existing connector, no wiring changes are required.  If you are interested = in trying=20 this system, let me know, and I=92ll send you a CD with the = software and=20 instructions. =20

 

Steve = Boese

  

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, = 2009 10:10=20 PM
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] frustrating couple of days

 

I = havent flown=20 my RV since a couple of cases of lost data in the EC2 back in = february.=20 Spent the last few months making a bunch of mods, some suggested = by=20 Tracy, others were things that I thought might increase long = term=20 reliability. Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in the = ensuing=20 period.

 

Been working up=20 toward renewing flight testing. Engine has been running really = well for=20 the last few months. Thought that the problem was cured, though = not=20 clear how. Then on saturday found that once again my B = controller=20 had lost all data. Engine wouldnt run at any throttle setting on = B.=20 Restored the B controller by copying A >=20 B.

 

Last night=20 after work ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes at various = throttle settings and it ran as good as always. Also ran fine on = the B=20 controller.

 

Tonight after=20 work I fired it up. Ran fine initially. After about 15 minutes = noted=20 some minor surging at a couple of throttle settings below 2000 = RPM. Also=20 noticed that in this RPM range where the mixture had previously = been=20 fine, my mixture monitor is off the scale lean. Slowly got = worse,=20 to the point that it wouldnt idle at what was previously a solid = 1350RPM. Couldnt get it to run at all below 1500, everything = between=20 1500 and about 3000 RPM pretty rough. Everything over 3000 is = fine. No=20 idea what caused this change. I put the airplane away and walked = away in=20 disgust. I'm back to where I was a year ago and I'm just about = fed up=20 with this thing.

 

Mike=20 Wills

RV-4=20 = N144MW



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