X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3741476 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:56:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.169.203; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n61FtACT014466 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:55:10 -0400 Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id q.d0d.5805ba0a (37120) for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.129]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-d3eb4a4b86d91d7; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:55:07 -0400 Received: from webmail-db04 (webmail-db04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.69]) by smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD017-d3eb4a4b86d91d7; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:55:05 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] P-38 Project Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:55:05 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.253.96.220 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBC87B6F7CF828_106C_CEE_webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 66.253.96.220 by webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.69) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:55:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBC87B6F62BDE7-106C-64F@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CBC87B6F7CF828_106C_CEE_webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" -----Original Message----- From: Al Gietzen To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:21 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] P-38 Project One last thingabout weird: I am in the process of designing a 60% P-38, an= d that dictates very compact power-plants (not that I need to be at all co= nvinced about the rotary engine), and the other thing that will make it wo= rk is to have the interior of the cockpit arranged like a sail plane - rec= umbent style. =C2=A0I am 67 and may not get there, but it's fun and it kee= ps my brain sharp. Thank you, Bernie Bernie; =C2=A0 That sounds like a very interesting project. It was the first model I buil= t when I was a kid =E2=80=93 loved it then, and always have. Has anyone do= ne a scaled down P-38? =C2=A0You=E2=80=99d think with all the takeoffs on= the Mustang; somebody would have done a Lightning. =C2=A0 Nothing wrong with being weird and turning an engine on its side.=C2=A0 Do= ing things different just means you need a thorough understanding of what= you=E2=80=99re doing.=C2=A0 Since this is a project that is somewhat down= stream; you=E2=80=99d probably want to be thinking renesis, or even 16B.= =C2=A0Maybe someone has checked the oil drainback passages in the renesis= . Of course a couple of 20Bs would make that thing GO. =C2=A0 Best wishes, =C2=A0 Al G Al,=C2=A0 there is a guy in Livermore that built a semi-scale P-38, Walter= Treadwell. His effort was a one-design machine done from scratch. It20was= a fiberglass over plywood done from original aircraft 3 views. The aircra= ft was powered by=C2=A02 four cylinder Suzuki Swift engines. Belt reductio= ns he designed himself, custom=C2=A0retractable gear, and homemade radiato= rs in the booms in the original positions. He tried the original=C2=A0Suzu= ki=C2=A0EMS but he had a ton of trouble. He solved the EMS problem by chan= ging to Simple=C2=A0Digital Systems=C2=A0EMS.=C2=A0Walter and his test=C2= =A0pilot=C2=A0were both over 65 when they started the project! I believe= he donated the plane to a local museum when=C2=A0he wanted to start his= next project. The "next" project is a scale version of the Johnson Wax S-= 38 Sikorsky=C2=A0=C2=A0flying boat. The plan was originally to use to of= the 9 cylinder Rodek radials for accurate scale effect! A really ambitous= project. Bill Jepson ----------MB_8CBC87B6F7CF828_106C_CEE_webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"


-----Original Message-----
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:21 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] P-38 Project

One last thingab= out weird: I am in the process of designing a 60% P-38, and that dictates= very compact power-plants (not that I need to be at all convinced about= the rotary=3D2 0engine), and the other thing that will make it work is to have the interi= or of the cockpit arranged like a sail plane - recumbent style.  I am= 67 and may not get there, but it's fun and it keeps my brain sharp.
Thank you, Bernie
Bernie;<= /FONT>
 
That sounds lik= e a very interesting project. It was the first model I built when I was a= kid =E2=80=93 loved it then, and always have. Has anyone done a scaled do= wn P-38?  You=E2=80=99d think with all the takeoffs on the Mustang;= somebody would have done a Lightning.
 
Nothing wrong= with being weird and turning an engine on its side.  Doing things di= fferent just means you need a thorough understanding of what you=E2=80=99r= e doing.  Since this is a project that is somewhat downstream; you=E2= =80=99d probably want to be thinking renesis, or even 16B.  Maybe som= eo ne has checked the oil drainback passages in the renesis. Of course a coup= le of 20Bs would make that thing GO.
 
Best wishes,
 
Al G

Al,  there is a guy in Livermore that built a semi-scale P-38, Walter= Treadwell. His effort was a one-design machine done from scratch. It was= a fiberglass over plywood done from original aircraft 3 views. The aircra= ft was powered by 2 four cylinder Suzuki Swift engines. Belt reductio= ns he designed himself, custom retractable gear, and homemade radiato= rs in the booms in the original positions. He tried the original Suzu= ki EMS but he had a ton of trouble. He solved the EMS problem by chan= ging to Simple Digital Systems EMS. Walter and his test&nbs= p;pilot were both over 65 when they started the project! I believe he= donated the plane to a local museum when he wanted to start his next= project. The "next" project is a scale version of the Johnson Wax S-38 Si= korsky  flying boat. The plan w as originally to use to of the 9 cylinder Rodek radials for accurate scale= effect! A really ambitous project.
Bill Jepson
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