Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #46214
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: 20b Exhaust
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:47:34 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

George;

 

I did some similar calculations, but I – as Joe is doing – have a tangential manifold muffler which significantly spreads the pulses. So I did some sort of velocity calculations and chose 2 ¾” for its outlet. A bit further downstream I have secondary muffler, I guess it could be called a pulse dampener; which quiets things down another half dozen DBs, or so.  For convenience I kept the same outlet dia., but probably have reduced a bit more for a couple more DB with little effect on back pressure since the length from there is very short.

 

FWIW,

Al G

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:41 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20b Exhaust

 

 Tracy,

The reason I ask is that I like to keep the muffler outlet the same area size or a little bigger than the exhaust outlet in the rotor housing which is usually about 2" dia.

 

I do understand the 2 and 3 rotors are staged and the exhaust and the exhaust (shock) waves are in sequence, but I like to keep the volume of the muffler and muffler exit to the total of the rotor exits i.e. 3x Pi.r squared (3x Pi 1 x 1) = 9.2 sq" or Radius of 1.71" = Dia of 3.42".

 

I thought 2.25 may have a little too much back pressure, as the rotary doesn't like back pressure.

 

Probably to do this exercise properly would be to calculate the volume of the heated and expanded exhaust gases and calculate the timing of the pulses to see how a particular sized muffler and exit size coped with the speed and volume of flow. It would be an interesting exercise.

George (down under)

Too soon to say really.  I have not even had time to assemble the builders log to get ready for the DAR. Lack of engine power is definitely not what is keeping this thing grounded though : )

Tracy

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:

Tracy,

Any significant back pressure to speak of?

George (down under)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tracy Crook

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 12:11 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20b Exhaust

 

In general, the bigger the exit pipe, the louder the exhaust will be.  I used 2.25" which I think is about the minimum for a 20B.

Tracy

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:28 AM, <jewen@comporium.net> wrote:

I have fabricated my exhaust manifold/tangential muffler for my 20b.  All I have left is to fit and weld the exhaust pipe.  I would like opinions on the size the exhaust pipe should be.  This is in a pusher application (Velocity) with a relatively short run from the muffler to the exit point.  Similar installation to Al G.

Thanks,
Joe


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