Jim,
One thing to consider between the 2 and 3 rotor in a
pusher is the gearbox drive direction and ratio. Tracy's right hand rotation
gearbox is 2.85 and the left hand is 2.17 I think.
Bobby
John/Ed,
Thanks for the sound advice. I guess there is no need to re-invent the
wheel, as I am not planning any new approaches in the installation. I
will definitely be taking the road many others have already gone down. So
it's back to the books and newsgroups for a little bit of knowledge and some
research.
John, I tend to agree with you about the 20B. The more I think about
it, the more I sway towards a 2 rotor. I have been over your website more
times than I can count, and will be "stealing" a lot of your ideas when the time
comes. I gave quick thought to a turbo 13B, but am a little hesitant to add more
complexity to an already complex installation. However, I haven't
discounted it. I am curious to see how the Girrrls do with there
installation. I know the renesis engines have hotter exhaust temps, so
I'll have to look into solutions for that. Thanks again, you bring up a lot of
thought-provoking questions. Exactly the reason for these newsgroups!!
Jim
Charlotte, NC
From: Ed Anderson
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
<flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 5:24:22
AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
Ground Testing
Hi
Jim,
Being one of the early
Rotary Fliers and knowing no one (at the time) with a flying rotary and
there being no such e mail list as this to ask questions, I decided on extensive
ground testing. I build a test stand that duplicated my planned FWF
installation. Mounted the engine and ran it in the test stand for over 30
hours ground run time. Keeping in mind that so far as I knew
at the time – the rotary had not been yet proven in aircraft application.
In fact, the few folks that had tried it never really achieve success even
though a couple did get into the air.
But, in any case, here
is what I believe the ground test program provided me (some of the factors have
now been demonstrated by many others and can be accepted with such ground
running.
- Reliability and
robustness of the engine (yes, I manage to over-heat it a couple of times –
once to the point of having to replace the stock coolant “O”
rings)
- Worked out some
changes in component installation on the Firewall
- Proved that the GM
evaporator cores (used as radiators) would indeed work
- Showed that the EFI
pumps would indeed “suck” fuel up-hill at least 2 feet and once even caused a
heavy duty marine type fuel container to collapse due to the pressure
differential (for got to undo the vent cap). Note: having a EFI “such”
fuel rather than “Push” fuel is not recommended. The pumps should be
“wet” at all times when operating – even 30-50 seconds without fuel can damage
their impeller.
- Showed that my semi
“returnless” fuel system (1/2 pint header tank mounted on the firewall)
worked
- Showed that my “Plugs
Up” orientation of the engine was indeed viable.
- Convinced my self
that the engine would put out sufficient power to make it a viable power plan
(although not nearly the power I got out of it later after completely
redesigning the induction system)
- Gain considerably
knowledge (still learning) about and confidence in the engine ( 500+
hours run time) and 10 years since first flight.
Now, having said all of
that, much of the above can be taken as proven and no need to further reinvent
the wheel. If however, you are talking some new approach to some element
of a critical system such fuel, ignition, cooling or lubrication, then you might
want to verify that your concept is viable on the ground rather than in the
air. On the other hand, if you are pretty much following practices that
have been proven by members of this list then there is probably no need for a
ground test program other than what you do to prove your installed setup
works as planned.
The further you depart
from what has been shown to work, then the greater the need for a ground test
phase, in my opinion. Being in the air and finding out your idea is less
than ideal is not the place to be.
Just my 0.02
worth
Hope this
helps.
From: Rotary
motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jim Perdue Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:50
PM To: Rotary motors in
aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary]
Ground Testing
Hello everyone. I've been reading this mailing list for
a bit, and I am very impressed with the knowledge and experiences being shared
here. It is everyone here who is paving the way for the rotary installations of
the future. I for one am very grateful.
I am currently building a Cozy MKIV and I am seriously
considering a rotary. Most likely a renesis, but possibly considering a 20B. I
have rebuilt a few engines in my day (piston of course). I am far from needing
an engine, but I was wondering if some of you can answer a question? I realize
there are in-flight challenges that can only be addressed at that time of
course, but how much can you debug/learn from ground testing an engine? Can
anyone tell me what can be acheived during ground testing and what cannot? Even
though I am far away from a powerplant, I'd like to pick up a cheap engine and
start "playing" ;-)
I appreciate any input on this subject.
Thanks!
From: Mark
Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
<flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:18:55
PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
I've got oil pressure!
That's great news Chris. Glad
you figured out the problem.
Mark S.
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:23 PM, The Mallorys <candtmallory@cebridge.net>
wrote:
I made some
good progress this weekend. After trying to prime the oil pump and still
not getting any oil flow, I broke down and removed the pan. There was the
culprit, big as day. I had a kink in the oil pickup line. Because I
am installing an inverted oil system, I have to run the line from the pump back
out the pan to the inverted oil ball valve. This line needed a bend, and I
thought the hose could handle it, but I was wrong. SO I replaced the bend
with metal parts, and reassembled everything. Now I’ve got 60 PSI. I
also burped the coolant, and that system seems to be working
too.
I did find
a couple of leaks that will have to be fixed, but that is all minor
work.
Thanks all
for the helpful words!
Getting
closer every day.
Chris
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