X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3120583 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:48:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.96; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CV0R1a0030QuhwU59VnwC2; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:47:56 +0000 Received: from ChristopherNB ([98.200.107.125]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CVnl1a0052iMkLq3NVnmFA; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:47:46 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M2F2kY0bNn8A:10 a=TasnSised0wA:10 a=0s13hQpzyrW3Yxs41UYA:9 a=0-cFuAaE--6aBd3vRJcA:7 a=L2BtnvTEc96cFxw5VdfsutfGYFkA:4 a=4n5_rRQn6oAA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 a=Xm-6bQi4AAAA:8 a=XonjZxa_rq3kpqlAqukA:9 a=Z0bnaUgM0rMLQwbbmXMA:7 a=MJyTTI9R9km7gISJScLp2xuPhLQA:4 a=hFxsDBuxy-gA:10 a=vk7mzx2WDpwA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <6DF2E7A83E39492E9F297E576308A1F7@ChristopherNB> From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Update from Mark? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:47:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2383_01C91215.AD785F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2383_01C91215.AD785F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=20 Please let me know when you are in Galveston, it is only about 30 = minutes away from me. Of course, you are welcome up at Ellington (EFD) = as well. Rocket Scientist and Astronauts do frequent the area I may have my fuel strake issue resolved by then and be ready to fire up = the new 'ol 13B again. All the best, Chris Barber Houston ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Update from Mark? Hi Doug, Well, the Texas heat is still with us, but only in the upper 90's, not = triple-digits. We had about 50 days this summer in the triple-digit = territory and I'll have to say that I gave out before my cooling system = did. Highest coolant temp I saw on the water was 220. But with a 23# = cap and running an ethlene-glycol mix, I felt ok. I don't think I could = say that if it went much higher. Keep in mind that this is during climb = out where I'm pushing it pretty hard. Oil temps will sometimes hit 230, = but that is after the first cooler. The second cooler brings the temps = down another 10-20*. These are worst case readings, temps in cruise = climb and cruise are lower, of course. I measure water temps coming out = of the engine and again after the radiator, and oil temps after the = oil/air exchanger and again after the oil/water exchanger. Overkill, = but I had the extra channels, so I used them for this. =20 All in all, I'm happy with my cooling system and don't plan on making = any changes. It has more reserve than me or my pax. I have noticed a = lot of buildup on the radiator fins (not bugs). That can't help the = temps any. I need to keep an eye on that. One addition that I may consider before next summer is to add water = spray to the main radiator to use if things start to get out of hand. A = quart reservoir would probably be sufficient.=20 The only other issues has been a small but nagging oil leak, and = tuning the EC-2. I finally figured out that I had a wiring error on the = EC-2 PCM (Programming Control Module), which prevented the auto-tune = feature from working, and a defective PCM. Having corrected both of = those, I am still working with Tracy to try and figure out why the EC-2 = MAP table gets corrupted mysteriously and without warning. I'll post = something for the group after we find and fix the problem. This only = seems to be a problem with fiberglass a/c, so you RV types have nothing = to worry about. I've burned the packing out of the Hushpower II muffler many hours = ago. It had been nice an quiet... for the first 30 minutes. Not sure = if there is an answer for that one unless I want to install a = turbo-charger. The real "jewel" has been the c/s prop. This allows me to cruise at = around 10.6 gph at 4200-4500 rpm, 153 TAS. Until recently, I had been = cruising at 5200 rpm, burning 14-15 gph. Speeds are about the same. = Keep in mind that I normally fly at 3500-5500 msl. I anticipate lower = fuel burn at higher altitudes. I'm planning a trip to Galveston in = October and I can try out this theory then. Mark On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM, wrote: Howdy Mark...the majority of the nasty high temperature days should = be over in your neck of the woods now so I was wondering how your = cooling faired this summer, etc.? Have you pretty much gotten any = "bugs" worked out of your installation so it has basically become more = automotive like (a simple turn key operation)? Thanks for the update. Doug Lomheim RV-9A / 13B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus = the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. ------=_NextPart_000_2383_01C91215.AD785F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
Please let me know when you are in = Galveston, it is=20 only about 30 minutes away from me.  Of course, you are welcome up = at=20 Ellington (EFD) as well.  Rocket Scientist and Astronauts do = frequent the=20 area <g>
 
I may have my fuel strake issue = resolved by then=20 and be ready to fire up the new 'ol 13B again.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Steitle=20
Sent: Monday, September 08, = 2008 11:29=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B = Update from=20 Mark?

Hi Doug,
 
Well, the Texas heat is still with us, but only in the upper=20 90's, not triple-digits.  We had about 50 days this summer = in the=20 triple-digit territory and I'll have to say that I gave out before my = cooling=20 system did.  Highest coolant temp I saw on the water was = 220.  But=20 with a 23# cap and running an ethlene-glycol mix, I felt = ok.  I=20 don't think I could say that if it went much higher.  Keep in = mind that=20 this is during climb out where I'm pushing it pretty hard.  Oil = temps=20 will sometimes hit 230, but that is after the first cooler.  The = second=20 cooler brings the temps down another 10-20*.  These are = worst case=20 readings, temps in cruise climb and cruise are lower, of=20 course.  I measure water temps coming out of the engine and = again=20 after the radiator, and oil temps after the oil/air exchanger and = again after=20 the oil/water exchanger.  Overkill, but I had the extra channels, = so I=20 used them for this. 
 
All in all, I'm happy with my cooling system and don't plan on = making any=20 changes.  It has more reserve than me or my pax.  I have = noticed a=20 lot of buildup on the radiator fins (not bugs).  That can't help = the=20 temps any.  I need to keep an eye on that.
 
One addition that I may consider before next summer is to add = water spray=20 to the main radiator to use if things start to get out of hand.  = A quart=20 reservoir would probably be sufficient.
 
The only other issues has been a small but nagging oil leak, and = tuning=20 the EC-2.  I finally figured out that I had a wiring error = on the=20 EC-2 PCM (Programming Control Module), which prevented the auto-tune = feature=20 from working, and a defective PCM.  Having corrected = both of=20 those, I am still working with Tracy to try and figure out why = the EC-2=20 MAP table gets corrupted mysteriously and without warning.  = I'll=20 post something for the group after we find and fix the problem.  = This=20 only seems to be a problem with fiberglass a/c, so you RV types have = nothing=20 to worry about.
 
I've burned the packing out of the Hushpower II muffler many = hours=20 ago.  It had been nice an quiet... for the first 30=20 minutes.  Not sure if there is an answer for that one unless I = want to=20 install a turbo-charger.
 
The real "jewel" has been the c/s prop.  This allows me to = cruise at=20 around 10.6 gph at 4200-4500 rpm, 153 TAS.  Until recently, I had = been=20 cruising at 5200 rpm, burning 14-15 gph.  Speeds are about the=20 same.  Keep in mind that I normally fly at 3500-5500 msl.  I = anticipate lower fuel burn at higher altitudes.  I'm = planning a trip=20 to Galveston in October and I can try out this theory then.
 
Mark

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM, <DLOMHEIM@aol.com> = wrote:
Howdy Mark...the majority of the nasty high temperature days = should be=20 over in your neck of the woods now so I was wondering how your = cooling=20 faired this summer, etc.?  Have you pretty much=20 gotten any "bugs" worked out of your installation so it = has=20 basically become more automotive like (a simple turn key=20 operation)?
 
Thanks for the update.
 
Doug Lomheim
RV-9A / 13B
  




Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall = trends and=20 hair styles at=20 = StyleList.com.

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