X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3052303 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:47:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.200.173; envelope-from=lehanover@gmail.com Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1229527wfg.25 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=89VFyDCWz+qnbaQdHRvj9DhLFUq//RDIRUkEC3s1/Ac=; b=JTSSk9yPeun7OpdTRBPklEohGjFAWEfDAnwZWnBL+4oMn6FDcaEvUdhm5xBoxuALvH og+KX23O3LYFoTNWgLXSjRT5tlFq/oPxfYmK8M4rVYZj5mX17OGYZLL4C3yU7pz93KOz yzV4OF7w1lw0SEQT/vHFOND42NmdMOyt2xGf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lJu3IKNSUUC+euHGRfHuGwKFwFmJG5sI1uuIwWSxkIobxpJ0UITl/Y/1bzYe4uLpHI goQlVq3eK2ikBRH7YzD4XNJACVHl5Km26UNtuUEF400Fo/L9IptkDMNJmrhrWXs8MTeJ zDgfOBAhSM/4/y3R5CWzJfdChajL1aEoa8ylE= Received: by 10.143.1.12 with SMTP id d12mr4023149wfi.297.1217652401642; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.159.3 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1ab24f410808012146y4bc754d6jca6c1d0503694cd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:46:41 -0400 From: "Lynn Hanover" To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: More bolts. Hardened bolts. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8508_20009273.1217652401645" ------=_Part_8508_20009273.1217652401645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline We have not covered a library full of bolt data, in these few words. In aluminum or other soft material, a bolt that does not stretch is a far better choice than one that can be stretched to some greater degree. When you look closely at the threads in a tapped hole that is under tension, you see in one case only the first 4 or 5 threads are under tension. In another case, when the bolt can stretch further then, even fewer threads will be loaded. So, generally the first few threads in a hole will fail first, as those are the only ones loaded. Few tension bolts are designed to screw into threaded holes. Some of the few are rotary case bolts and head bolts on some piston engines. So then the ideal bolt would have one heat treat on the threads, (no stretch) and another on the shank, a sort of spring like heat treat. Bolts and studs in soft material need to have very course threads, to get as deep a throat as is possible. A fine threaded hole in aluminum is short lived. Better to bore it over sized and threaded for a nutsert or Helicoil, or drilled through and nut and bolted where ever possible. Also, there is a need to have a number of fasteners for each junction, where in iron or steel, perhaps one or two fasteners might have been enough. Since a multipal heat treat on a single bolt is unlikely, then you see such ideas as the threaded part is bigger than the shank, like case bolts, and many head bolts. So most tension bolts are designed to have a high quality nut on one end. The very best have dimples on both ends so a micrometer can measure length while torque is applied. So, the amount of torque is not a factor. The manufacturer is after a minimum stretch value, perhaps .007". for example. So, a hard bolt in soft tapped holes is fine. Since they don't stretch, all of the threads engaged will be used unifomly. These junctions withstand only minimal torque, and leave the designer with the pregnant problem, of keeping the bolt from backing out. So now after this long trip, we are back to how do you do that. There are methods that seem from the 20s, that you still may see used today. Often a strip of soft metal with two holes to pick up two bolts is used for a washer. The excess material past the bolt heads is folded over a flat on the bolt head and bent sharply with a punch. Works great. Time consuming. A high tech lock washer (Mazda) light weight easy, reusable, you already have a bunch of them. The 1902 angle cut hardend tractor lock washer. Works great, $1.60 a pound at Tractor Supply. Looks too crude to be on an airplane. Damages the bolt and the piece you are attaching. Some of the locking compounds, work great, looks fine if you wipe off the excess. Pricey, And you cannot tell which bolts are glued and which are not. And the very best..................Safety wire. Light weight, looks good, easy to use, cheap, impresses the AI so he passes your machine, even though it has Chinese hose clamps everywhere. Lynn E. Hanover But do you really want to use hardened bolts anchored in aluminum? Lynn said it the other day. It would be better to choose a bolt where you could get some stretch out of it before it pulls out of the anchor material. >> > > Ernest, > > Generally, there isn't much choice. Threaded fastener > specifications normally include some degree of heat-treating - > hardening and then drawing the temper to achieve a "grade" of > hardness. I have seen bolts made from aluminum, but I don't know as > I'd want to use them on any critical component of an airplane. Yes > internal threads in aluminum aren't as strong as those in steel, but > we see steel cap screws in aluminum threads in all kinds of automotive > applications. The strength of an internal thread in aluminum can be > improved by swaging the thread with a thread-former instead of cutting > it with a conventional tap. > > Dale R. ------=_Part_8508_20009273.1217652401645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
We have not covered a library full of bolt data, in t= hese few words. In aluminum or other soft material, a bolt that does not st= retch is a far better choice than one that can be stretched to some greater= degree. When you look closely at the threads in a tapped hole that is unde= r tension, you see in one case only the first 4 or 5 threads are under tens= ion. In another case, when the bolt can stretch further then, even few= er threads will be loaded. So, generally the first few threads in a hole wi= ll fail first, as those are the only ones loaded. Few tension bolts are des= igned to screw into threaded holes. Some of the few are rotary case bolts a= nd head bolts on some piston engines. So then the ideal bolt would have one= heat treat on the threads, (no stretch) and another on the shank, a sort o= f spring like heat treat. Bolts and studs in soft material need to have ver= y course threads, to get as deep a throat as is possible. A fine threaded h= ole in aluminum is short lived. Better to bore it over sized and threaded f= or a nutsert or Helicoil, or drilled through and nut and bolted where ever = possible. Also, there is a need to have a number of fasteners for each junc= tion, where in iron or steel, perhaps one or two fasteners might have been = enough.
 
Since a multipal heat treat on a single bolt is unlikely, then you see= such ideas as the threaded part is bigger than the shank, like case bolts,= and many head bolts. So most tension bolts are designed to have a high qua= lity nut on one end. The very best have dimples on both ends so a micromete= r can measure length while torque is applied. So, the amount  of = torque is not a factor. The manufacturer is after a minimum stretch value, = perhaps .007". for example.
 
So, a hard bolt in soft tapped holes is fine. Since they don't str= etch, all of the threads engaged will be used unifomly. These junctions&nbs= p;withstand only minimal torque, and leave the designer with the pregnant p= roblem, of keeping the bolt from backing out. So now after this long trip, = we are back to how do you do that.
 
 There are methods that seem from the 20s, that you still may see= used today. Often a strip of soft metal with two holes to pick up two bolt= s is used for a washer. The excess material past the bolt heads is folded o= ver a flat on the bolt head and bent sharply with a punch. Works great. Tim= e consuming.
 
A high tech lock washer (Mazda) light weight easy, reusable, you alrea= dy have a bunch of them. The 1902 angle cut hardend tractor lock washer. Wo= rks great, $1.60 a pound at Tractor Supply. Looks too crude to be on an air= plane. Damages the bolt and the piece you are attaching. Some of the lockin= g compounds, work great, looks fine if you wipe off the excess. Pricey, And= you cannot tell which bolts are glued and which are not. And the very best= ..................Safety wire. Light weight, looks good, easy to use, cheap= ,
impresses the AI so he passes your machine, even though it has Chinese= hose clamps everywhere.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
 
But do you really want to use hardened bolts anchored in aluminum?&nbs= p; Lynn
said it the other day.  It would be better to choose a bol= t where you
could get some stretch out of it before it pulls out of the= anchor
material.
>>
>
> Ernest,
>
>   G= enerally, there isn't much choice.  Threaded fastener
> spe= cifications normally include some degree of heat-treating -
> harden= ing and then drawing the temper to achieve a "grade" of
> hardness.  I have seen bolts made from aluminum, but I don't = know as
> I'd want to use them on any critical component of an a= irplane.  Yes
> internal threads in aluminum aren't as stro= ng as those in steel, but
> we see steel cap screws in aluminum threads in all kinds of automotive=
> applications.  The strength of an internal thread in aluminu= m can be
> improved by swaging the thread with a thread-former inste= ad of cutting
> it with a conventional tap.
>
> Dale R.
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