X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3030802 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:27:56 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.166.179; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so73606pyb.12 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WkXVVqMGDkuWkrXKPxa0rICidLcQdCqWhD0VOORKshs=; b=aYbUejjQoeS9tYLctN+OhYbyVVL7uHzlNnxA+CPug/xdxGlzfB+y+OVy0sg2+vBmvy WTg835u7gcB4VMWhACEl2mmWyVWzTcpqHHShkSJVNSKdon2B/Wos1bu1VnDpnl03uuz0 xnimbqDLCgYjvqddEl/NTnJjmD+LtmiOTleQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ngvauASKOXkj8ZeBrkgx4id5fcDEgVIxR1Zj71w+yHEtFVtQ9qLZlPhrJ7Y0Y7cJPN uiSG7ht0CI8Kza/Hc7mqBX3hfPX7eqATWI6wmofhbY/N/vlksUGUC282CzyaLtGri8Bf EiPB5h4d4RRszPBYcdBHPq/SFgT2CU3S94oYY= Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr1514191rvl.3.1216333638174; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.82.18 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b4b137c0807171527x572cfe4sebbeac4c9e781c47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:27:18 -0400 From: "Tracy Crook" Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Lean of Peak operation. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41646_31226527.1216333638165" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 11a5bacf9eaf1f9e ------=_Part_41646_31226527.1216333638165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Ernest Christley wrote: > Lynn Hanover wrote: > >> Once you finish, you may have 6 different flow rates in 6 cylinders. Since >> the fuel delivery is based on airflow and a look at the itake system shows >> 6 >> differing lengths of tubing, 6 different injectors seems like the right >> answere. >> >> >> > ... > >> It should work just fine in a rotary, so long as fuel flow in both >> housings >> is about the same. The troubled engine feel is when one housing is >> performing less well than the other. So when leaning one housing has >> peaked >> before or after the other, or has reached well lean of peak before the >> other. >> >> > It should be possible to imitate the same effect using computer control. > It would require that the computer control injectors individually, and that > it has input from EGTs or a wideband O2 sensor for each rotor. The concept > is trivial...the implementation somewhat less so. > > EC2/3 has this capability built in. Mode 4 (&5 on 20B) controls this function. Running far LOP smoothly does depend on mixtures being well ballanced. If well ballanced, the engine does not get rough when turning the mixture control way down. When you reach the limit, the engine should just suddenly stop with almost no warning (other than the declining rpm as you lean). Tracy > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_Part_41646_31226527.1216333638165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Lynn Hanover wrote:
Once you finish, you may have 6 different flow rates in 6 cylinders. Since
the fuel delivery is based on airflow and a look at the itake system shows 6
differing lengths of tubing, 6 different injectors seems like the right
answere.

 
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It should work just fine in a rotary, so long as fuel flow in both housings
is about the same. The troubled engine feel is when one housing is
performing less well than the other. So when leaning one housing has peaked
before or after the other, or has reached well lean of peak before the
other.
 
It should be possible to imitate the same effect using computer control.  It would require that the computer control injectors individually, and that it has input from EGTs or a wideband O2 sensor for each rotor.  The concept is trivial...the implementation somewhat less so.

 
EC2/3 has this capability built in.  Mode 4 (&5 on 20B) controls this function.  Running far LOP smoothly does depend on mixtures being well ballanced.  If well ballanced, the engine does not get rough when turning the mixture control way down.  When you reach the limit, the engine should just suddenly stop with almost no warning (other than the declining rpm as you lean). 
 
Tracy
 


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