Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #43438
From: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: pre-mix; great trip
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:17:09 -0300
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
About the fuel comming out of the fuel vent.   I have a 4 gal header tank like you.  Sometimes when I started the fuel pump it would spit some fuel out the vent, not every times.   I built a small tank, about 2 ounces and connected the vents from the two lower wing fuel tanks to it and the header tank vent to the bottom of this small tank.  The top of this tank is vented.  No more spit out, when the header tank spit it drains back to the lower wing tanks.
 
Rino Lacombe
Renesis Glass Goose
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Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: pre-mix; great trip

Beautiful picture Al.  Good observations on performance.  Glad to hear that everything is working well. 

Mark S.

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

Just returned from about 2500 nm trip. Engine ran great, including flying over the Rockies west of Denver where I was briefly at about 14,000 ft with density altitude of 16,500, and still had some throttle to go. Generally cruising at 165 KTAS, 9.2 – 9.5 gph, about 5600 rpm. Not bad for a 4-place airplane.

 

OK, now for some technical stuff.  You may recall I converted my 20B over from pan oil injection to using premix.

 

The main issue is the amount of 2-cycle oil that is ending up in the oil pan.  When mixing 1 oz/gal I found the  pan oil level had gone up by about 1 ½ quarts (from 6 ½ to 8) in about 15 hours of flying; and my nice clear-amber 15-50 synthetic had become the dark blue-black color of the SuperTech 2-cycle oil. Doing the math suggests that about 1/3 of the pre-mix oil is ending up in the pan.  That seems way out of line, and although a suspect it is not harmful to the engine, I don't think it the best lube for the re-drive.  I changed the oil and reduced the amount of pre-mix to ¾ oz per gallon.  I'll be surprised if there isn't still some 2-cycle oil going into the pan.

 

So. . ; suggestions?  Use different brand 2-cycle?  Further reduce pre-mix amount?

 

I'm wondering if the fact that my cruise coolant temp is now running around 150F would result in more of the pre-mix to condense out than if it was running at maybe 180F.

 

Another thing I notice is a small amount of fuel is coming out of the fuel vent.  The only explanation I can come up with is foaming/bubbles forming in the return line after the pressure regulator.  This goes into the 3-gallon sump tank and up the ¼" vent line.  This may have been occurring previously, and the fuel evaporated as it went back along the surface; but now the blue 2-cycle oil is left behind to be quite visible at the back of the cowl; but I suspect the pre-mix is exacerbating the foaming.

 

I notice the plugs have less carbon than before, and the inside of the exhaust exit is now very light grey.

 

Al


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