X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2958980 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:17:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.48; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bTX21Z0020QkzPwA50LH00; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:16:43 +0000 Received: from gregoryii ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bZGg1Z0080dkeQQ8N00000; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:16:40 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZcGJnuwufGTR81Qh1N0A:9 a=4_Kiokvm1_e0PoEjlh5Fy8as3UEA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=MCcXd0ADMyZUNDUGsfsA:9 a=hHVmRsddvQ9V1tSgwckA:7 a=Zmic0o6vSBqOro0hZ75xpxOmSfoA:4 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <051b01c8c9ad$e4195610$8801a8c0@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Mufflers Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:23:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0518_01C8C973.378F9D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0518_01C8C973.378F9D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That someone was me Todd, and I said it somewhat with tongue-in-cheek. = I will start out with the turbo, and no muffler on the ground testing = phase, and check the noise levels at different rpm's, and then make a = determination if some sound suppression is necessary. I have been in = Lancairs with conventional installations, and they are not exactly the = quietest on the ramp. What irritates me more, is the choppers hanging = overhead, sometimes for hours at a time, when there is a wreck on a = nearby freeway, and TCA lets them hang there forever, getting their news = at 5:00. So, saying the unmuffled Rotary is the worst offender, is not = exactly a truism. I can point out a certain Stearman at HMB, that makes = the rotary sound mute.....my point is, that each installation is = different, and I don't want to end up a statistic just to sooth = someone's sensitive ears. Greg Ward; Lancair 20B, a little further down the Road=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Bartrim=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mufflers Yesterday someone said something to the effect that since the muffler = posed so many risks he was going to omit it and get a good pair of noise = canceling headsets instead. You really need to reconsider this. All of = general aviation needs to address this, but us rotary enthusiasts in = particular. No other motor vehicle is allowed to operate in public with = out a muffler (other than at raceways, etc.). The growing green movement = is demanding an end to all the fun that we powersport enthusiasts enjoy, = and when we call their attention every time we fly over, they will make = more noise of their own. As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, we = even have a reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being obnoxiously = loud. This is unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need their support = but we certainly don't need to generate any more opposition from them. =20 Let's lead by example and take the muffler off our heads and put it on = the engine where it belongs. =20 Todd Bartrim =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0518_01C8C973.378F9D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That someone was me Todd, and I said it somewhat = with=20 tongue-in-cheek.  I will start out with the turbo, and no muffler = on the=20 ground testing phase, and check the noise levels at different rpm's, and = then=20 make a determination if some sound suppression is necessary.  I = have been=20 in Lancairs with conventional installations, and they are not exactly = the=20 quietest on the ramp.  What irritates me more, is the choppers = hanging=20 overhead, sometimes for hours at a time, when there is a wreck on a = nearby=20 freeway, and TCA lets them hang there forever, getting their news at = 5:00. =20 So, saying the unmuffled Rotary is the worst offender, is not exactly a=20 truism.  I can point out a certain Stearman at HMB, that makes = the=20 rotary sound mute.....my point is, that each installation is different, = and I=20 don't want to end up a statistic just to sooth someone's sensitive=20 ears.
Greg Ward;
Lancair 20B, a little further down the=20 Road 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd = Bartrim=20
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 = 11:22=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Mufflers

Yesterday=20 someone said something to the effect that since the muffler posed so = many=20 risks he was going to omit it and get a good pair of noise canceling = headsets=20 instead. You really need to reconsider this. All of general aviation = needs to=20 address this, but us rotary enthusiasts in particular. No other motor = vehicle=20 is allowed to operate in public with out a muffler (other than at = raceways,=20 etc.). The growing green movement is demanding an end to all the fun = that we=20 powersport enthusiasts enjoy, and when we call their attention every = time we=20 fly over, they will make more noise of their=20 own.

           =20 As the unmuffled rotary is perhaps the worst offender, we even = have a=20 reputation amongst the Lycosaurus crowd as being obnoxiously loud. = This is=20 unacceptable in my opinion. We may not need their support but we = certainly=20 don=92t need to generate any more opposition from=20 them.

           =20

Let=92s=20 lead by example and take the muffler off our heads and put it on the = engine=20 where it belongs.

 

Todd=20 Bartrim

 

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