X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net ([166.102.165.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2925769 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:58:52 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=166.102.165.170; envelope-from=montyr2157@alltel.net Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([98.20.147.33]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080517015812.TOBT6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:58:12 -0500 Received: from Thorstwin ([98.20.147.33]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with SMTP id <20080517015811.FOZF12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@Thorstwin> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <016601c8b7c1$7ce9fe20$6501a8c0@Thorstwin> From: "M Roberts" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Drawing Programs Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:58:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01C8B797.93EDD080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C8B797.93EDD080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monty, Are you SURE you're not selling this J Well, lets just say that after 10+ years of being = used.......well......roughly by many other cad vendors, such that some = of Ernest's bio engineered Vaseline would have been a much welcome = relief....... It's nice to have a company in the cad world that doesn't bend you over = every chance they get. Catia...forget it. Think Reverse Polish Sadomasochism with high voltage. Alias- If you wear a black turtle neck, and little round purple glasses = and think a milling machine should look like a butterfly, plus you don't = mind spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars for something Rhino = can do.....this is for you. Unigraphics- $24K just to get started.....$3-5K/ year maintenance. $75K = for a full license. Used to be really good...now not so much. ProE...not much better Autoscam...an expensive joke..... The rainbow water vac of the cad = world. Autocad sales people are right in there with Amway.. (BobCad is = about the same) I expect that bearded guy who screams a lot to start = selling these late at night on cable. Solidworks....$4-6K..... better but still 1K maintenance once a year = ......a mean drunk that is nice when sober. Solid Edge...more of the same Plus these @#$$@## change everything around every year....they don't = actually make improvements mind you , they just move everything around = so you can't get anything done.....so they can sell you training......I = have another word for it, but that's what they call it. The good guys: Rhino-Excellent surfacing package for a reasonable price....solids suck = however and non-parametric. for $1K reasonable upgrades about every 2 = years that actually improve the software. Alibre-Excellent solid modeling package with assemblies and all the = trimmings. Every upgrade is actually an upgrade and reasonably priced. I have a secret wish that everybody in the experimental aviation world = learn to use this stuff so we can share parts and data...Think print a = plane open source with everybody making continuous improvements and = upgrades. Plus payback is a bitch. I hope all the aforementioned thieves go the = way of the Sun Workstation. I've paid them enough to buy a very nice = Bavarian auto over the years and gotten nothing but grief. As to the learning Curve. I can't give a realistic estimate, because = I've been doing this so long with so many different packages that I can = pick up anything in a couple hours (except for BobCad which is so = horribly clunky I gave up after 10 min). There are a lot of low time = people who have indicated that they found Alibre much easier to pick up = than some of the other packages. I could possibly be persuaded to give a workshop on this stuff at = Tracy's. There are some logistics involved that could be problematic. = Like anybody who want's to participate has to bring a laptop with the = software already installed and know how to use a mouse. Monty ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C8B797.93EDD080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Monty, Are you SURE you=92re not selling this=20 J
 
Well, lets just say that after = 10+ years of=20 being used.......well......roughly by many other cad vendors, such that = some of=20 Ernest's bio engineered Vaseline would have been a much welcome=20 relief.......
 
It's nice to have a company in = the cad world=20 that doesn't bend you over every chance they get.
 
Catia...forget it. Think Reverse = Polish=20 Sadomasochism with high voltage.
 
Alias- If you wear a black turtle = neck, and=20 little round purple glasses and think a milling machine should look like = a=20 butterfly, plus you don't mind spending multiple  tens of thousands = of=20 dollars for something Rhino can do.....this is for = you.
 
Unigraphics- $24K just to get=20 started.....$3-5K/ year maintenance. $75K for a full license. Used to be = really=20 good...now not so much.
 
ProE...not much = better
 
Autoscam...an expensive joke..... = The rainbow=20 water vac of the cad world. Autocad sales people are right in there with = Amway..=20 (BobCad is about the same) I expect that bearded guy who screams a lot = to start=20 selling these late at night on cable.
 
Solidworks....$4-6K..... better = but still 1K=20 maintenance once a year ......a mean drunk that is nice when=20 sober.
 
Solid Edge...more of the=20 same
 
Plus these @#$$@## change = everything around=20 every year....they don't actually make improvements mind you , they just = move=20 everything around so you can't get anything done.....so they can sell = you=20 training......I have another word for it, but that's what they call=20 it.
 
 
 
The good = guys:
 
Rhino-Excellent surfacing package = for a=20 reasonable price....solids suck however and non-parametric. for $1K = reasonable=20 upgrades about every 2 years that actually improve the=20 software.
 
Alibre-Excellent solid modeling = package with=20 assemblies and all the trimmings. Every upgrade is actually an upgrade = and=20 reasonably priced.
 
I have a secret wish that = everybody in the=20 experimental aviation world learn to use this stuff so we can share = parts and=20 data...Think print a plane open source with everybody making continuous=20 improvements and upgrades.
 
Plus payback is a bitch. I hope = all the=20 aforementioned thieves go the way of the Sun Workstation. I've paid = them=20 enough to buy a very nice Bavarian auto over the years and gotten = nothing but=20 grief.
 
As to the learning Curve. I can't = give a=20 realistic estimate, because I've been doing this so long with so many = different=20 packages that I can pick up anything in a couple hours (except for = BobCad which=20 is so horribly clunky I gave up after 10 min). There are a lot of low = time=20 people who have indicated that they found Alibre much easier to pick=20 up than some of the other packages.
 
I could possibly be persuaded to = give a=20 workshop on this stuff at Tracy's. There are some logistics involved = that could=20 be problematic. Like anybody who want's to participate has to bring a = laptop=20 with the software already installed and know how to use a=20 mouse.
 
Monty
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