X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2924044 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:05:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080516000505.EVBT28475.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 00:05:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c8b6e8$37f35160$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Pogo was : [FlyRotary] Re: Oil thoughts Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:03:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8B6C6.B09C9210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8B6C6.B09C9210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sure miss Pogo - wonder what happened to the little opossum? Probably = got had by an alligator stirred up in swamp by oil drilling activity. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil thoughts Have to agree with you on this one Timothy. Blaming Big Oil is like = blaming us, since an average of 98% of oil company stock is owned by = private individules (mainly through mutual fund 401K & similar = retirement plans). If they were making making huge profit margins I'd = say "Whoopie !!! " But it's actually only between 5 & 10%. The = government (both state and federal) makes a LOT more than that. Check = out what you pay them on a gallon of gas. As Pogo said many years ago, "We have met the enemy and they are us." Tracy=20 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Timothy Peters = wrote: Whoops... I'm usually just a lurker, but I can't let that one go. = ;-) If you look at the financial statements for Exxon (just to pick on = the most common name taken in vain), you will see that they drill = roughly 20% of the crude oil they use. The rest they buy. Now this = crude oil is valuable. About $126 a barrel on the open market the last = time I checked. =20 However when you look at the refining operations, Exxon is loosing = big money ($3 billion 2 quarters back, although I haven't looked at the = actual refining loss for last quarter.) That's right... the big evil = oil company is actually subsidizing the cost of gasoline in the U.S. Heck, if I was the evil bastard running Exxon, I would sell = everything I drilled to China and pocket the extra money. Profits would = be way up! =20 Timothy (doesn't know when to shut up) Peters aka MarbleTurtle Dalton, GA. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil thoughts Not sure I agree with anything you said without a lot of research = to check your facts. One thing is certain - I disagree with your last = paragraph. While I dont put a whole lot of faith in politicians I put = less in the big oil companies. The profits these guys are reporting = while single handedly wrecking the economy are disgraceful. Lets not = jail them - lets prosecute them for raping our economy. Thats just my opinion. Now can we go back to discussing something = less depressing? Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil thoughts Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the US, I = wonder why we are still looking at biofuels as a source for anything? We = know how to pump oil out of the ground, we are now equipped to do just = that.=20 Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% unexplored. There may = be a 60 year supply just in ANWR.=20 Less than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. Fewer = know that ANWR is an acronym. =20 A smaller number will ever see it. None of the West coast waters = has been explored, None of the East coast waters have been explored. The = gulf is only partially explored and the last test well indicates up to = 15 billion barrels may be available at just that one dome. The Chinese = are drilling in the gulf. They are not stupid, and they don't need any = permission from us to drill. What sane person would suggest that we take = off in a new direction looking for an oil substitute?=20 All of the alliterative energy sources in our future, are just = pie in the sky when it comes to replacing oil. If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago had been put on = line, they still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. Its going to be = oil for the next 30 years at least, so we need to quit wishing in one = hand and listening to the tree huggers, and start passing out = exploration permits, and open all government owned lands for = exploration. The permit for building a new refinery should cost $100.00, = and take a week to process. There should be no permit required for = exploration, with the land owners permission. Then start cutting down = the amount of oil that can be imported each year until it is down to = zero from the Moslem controlled sources. Just one super tanker sunk in = the strait of Hormuz and the whole of the earth will be in deep dodo in = less than 2 weeks. And with a real shortage, and the armed forces = getting first call you won't have to worry about high prices, there = won't be any oil for recreational use at all. And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or any = kind of food? The number of independent truckers on the road is dropping = daily. Prices for everything will continue to climb. If there is no = additional payment for fuel the private truck owners cannot make a dime = with fuel over $4.00 a gallon. So their rigs are parked now.=20 Let the free market determine how much alcohol is used in motor = fuels. No price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, period. All food = stuffs, meat and poultry, many plastics, and motor fuels go up because = of the use of ethanol in fuels. The energy available in each gallon goes = down when ethanol is added. It takes more energy to make a gallon than = is in each gallon. Fuel milage goes down with ethanol. With pure ethanol = look for 30% less power, lower milage and more cost. =20 We should be importing oil only from sources we can trust. = Mexico and Canada are two of those.=20 Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us is insane.=20 Two of the choices for president want to tax the oil companies = for windfall profits. This is shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote sense = of the term. Where do we suppose that oil companies, or any company get = their profits? And what will these companies do to make up for profits = lost to the imbeciles in our Government?=20 Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my friends. That will be = $10.00 a gallon for low lead aviation fuel just for starters. But that just my opinion, and I could be wrong. Lynn E. Hanover ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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I sure miss Pogo - wonder what happened = to the=20 little opossum?  Probably got had by an alligator stirred up in = swamp by=20 oil drilling activity.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 = 8:00=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil=20 thoughts

Have to agree with you on this one Timothy.  Blaming Big Oil = is like=20 blaming us, since an average of 98% of oil company stock is owned by = private=20 individules (mainly through mutual fund 401K & similar retirement=20 plans).  If they were making making huge profit = margins=20 I'd say "Whoopie !!! "   But it's actually=20 only between  5 & 10%.  The government (both state = and=20 federal) makes a LOT more than that.  Check out what you pay = them on=20 a gallon of gas.
 
As Pogo said many years ago,  "We have met the enemy and = they are=20 us."
 
Tracy 

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Timothy = Peters <trpeters@alltel.net> = wrote:
Whoops...  I'm usually just a lurker, but I can't let that = one=20 go.  ;-)
 
If you look at the financial statements for Exxon (just to pick = on the=20 most common name taken in vain), you will see that they drill = roughly 20% of=20 the crude oil they use.  The rest they buy.  Now this = crude oil is=20 valuable.  About $126 a barrel on the open market the last time = I=20 checked. 
 
However when you look at the refining operations, Exxon is = loosing big=20 money ($3 billion 2 quarters back, although I haven't looked at = the=20 actual refining loss for last quarter.)  That's right... = the big=20 evil oil company is actually subsidizing the cost of gasoline in the = U.S.
 
Heck, if I was the evil bastard running Exxon, I would sell = everything=20 I drilled to China and pocket the extra money.  Profits would = be way=20 up! 
 
Timothy (doesn't know when to shut up) Peters
aka MarbleTurtle
Dalton, GA. 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Mike=20 Wills
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 = 8:57=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oil=20 thoughts

Not sure I agree with anything you said without a lot of = research to=20 check your facts. One thing is certain - I disagree with your last = paragraph. While I dont put a whole lot of faith in politicians I = put less=20 in the big oil companies. The profits these guys are reporting = while=20 single handedly wrecking the economy are disgraceful. Lets not = jail them -=20 lets prosecute them for raping our economy.
 
 Thats just my opinion. Now can we go back to discussing = something less depressing?
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message ----- =
From: Lehanover@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, = 2008 7:52=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil=20 thoughts

Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the US, = I=20 wonder why we are still looking at biofuels as a source for = anything? We=20 know how to pump oil out of the ground, we are now equipped to = do just=20 that.
Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% unexplored. There = may be=20 a 60 year supply just in ANWR.
Less than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. = Fewer=20 know that ANWR is an acronym. 
A smaller number will ever see it. None of the West coast = waters=20 has been explored, None of the East coast waters have been = explored. The=20 gulf is only partially explored and the last test well indicates = up to=20 15 billion barrels may be available at just that one dome. The = Chinese=20 are drilling in the gulf. They are not stupid, and they don't = need any=20 permission from us to drill. What sane person would suggest that = we take=20 off in a new direction looking for an oil substitute?
 
All of the alliterative energy sources in our future, are = just pie=20 in the sky when it comes to replacing oil.
If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago had been put = on line,=20 they still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. Its going to be = oil for=20 the next 30 years at least, so we need to quit wishing in one = hand and=20 listening to the tree huggers, and start passing out exploration = permits, and open all government owned lands for exploration. = The permit=20 for building a new refinery should cost $100.00, and take a week = to=20 process. There should be no permit required for exploration, = with the=20 land owners permission. Then start cutting down the amount of = oil that=20 can be imported each year until it is down to zero from the = Moslem=20 controlled sources. Just one super tanker sunk in the strait of = Hormuz=20 and the whole of the earth will be in deep dodo in less than 2 = weeks.=20 And with a real shortage, and the armed forces getting first = call you=20 won't have to worry about high prices, there won't be any oil = for=20 recreational use at all.
 
And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or = any kind=20 of food? The number of independent truckers on the road is = dropping=20 daily. Prices for everything will continue to climb. If there is = no=20 additional payment for fuel the private truck owners cannot make = a dime=20 with fuel over $4.00 a gallon. So their rigs are parked now. =
 
Let the free market determine how much alcohol is used in = motor=20 fuels. No price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, period. All = food=20 stuffs, meat and poultry, many plastics, and motor fuels go up = because=20 of the use of ethanol in fuels. The energy available in = each gallon=20 goes down when ethanol is added. It takes more energy to make a = gallon=20 than is in each gallon. Fuel milage goes down with ethanol. With = pure=20 ethanol look for 30% less power, lower milage and more cost.=20   
 
We should be importing oil only from sources we can trust. = Mexico=20 and Canada are two of those.
Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us is = insane.
 
Two of the choices for president want to tax the oil = companies for=20 windfall profits. This is shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote = sense of=20 the term. Where do we suppose that oil companies, or any company = get=20 their profits? And what will these companies do to make up for = profits=20 lost to the imbeciles in our Government?
Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my friends. That = will be=20 $10.00 a gallon for low lead aviation fuel just for = starters.
 
But that just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
 
Lynn E. Hanover



Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL=20 = Food.
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