X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net ([166.102.165.167] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2921724 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:32:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=166.102.165.167; envelope-from=montyr2157@alltel.net Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([98.20.248.197]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080514153157.BSFT22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 10:31:57 -0500 Received: from Thorstwin ([98.20.248.197]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with SMTP id <20080514153156.VHTR12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@Thorstwin> for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 10:31:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c8b5d7$a8bf13f0$6501a8c0@Thorstwin> From: "M Roberts" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Renewable Aviation Fuel Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:32:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8B5AD.BFC07550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8B5AD.BFC07550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernest....be not afraid! Rejoice! Sounds suspiciously like the Weizmann organism. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol There is no way that any patent on this gaslight era technology is going = to hold up to challenge. They may have bio engineered the bug to be more = productive, and are patenting that. Otherwise this is something you could do in your back yard with your = lawn clippings/sewage and the proper bug and enzymes. It's no different = than making wine. Then you just use fractional distillation to get the = fuel out. It may be possible to separate the constituents with a = molecular sieve which would be even better. The aviation fuel market is the perfect place to start something like = this, because it is small (relatively) and the oil companies don't = really want to be bothered with it. 100LL is going to go away soon and = something must take it's place. If it costs half as much as 100LL I = would gladly buy it. Since the states don't make much revenue from = Aviation Fuel, they won't perceive the threat. That will allow companies = in this market to move forward and eventually achieve economies of = scale. Then they can start to move into the automotive fuel market and = the cat is out of the bag.=20 Expecting the government and the oil companies to solve this problem is = asking two foxes to guard the henhouse.=20 I watched the hearings with the oil companies and congress on seaspan. = If you missed it, my executive summary is as follows: Government : We make more money per gallon than anybody. We won't let = you drill or build a new refinery. We want the rest of your profits. = We're here to help....honest we are, poor people, evil capitalist pig, = fairness, etc. (wink, wink, thanks for the campaign contribution). Oil Companies: We're making a killing, but you won't let us drill to = bring the cost down to the consumer, or spend billions on new = refineries. Woe is us, Woe is us. People should conserve. (wink wink, = keep up the good work).=20 Lots of noise and smoke........nothing changes. We continue to play the fool in this game. There are various algae and bacteria that can produce octane, and diesel = (lipids) directly. There are currently many efforts at bio engineering = them to be much more efficient. There are several companies in the = commercialization stages of this effort, and third gen fuels on the way. = 1 acre of soybeans can make about 20 barrels of bio-diesel (first gen), = but it requires prime farm land and good water that should be used for = food production. 1 acre of algae can produce 200 barrels of bio-diesel, = and it can do it on a superfund site with municipal effluent (second = gen). Third generation fuels are in the works.=20 Bio-tech has advanced tremendously in the last 10 years. In addition the = demand from China, India, Brazil, and the former Eastern Block is making = it impossible for OPEC to drive the price down. That has always been the = real secret weapon. There are many different ways to produce liquid = fuels. Coal to liquids, Gas to Liquids, Oil shale, Biological and = thermal processes. Every time somebody would start to do this, or if we = tried to increase domestic oil production, OPEC would flood the market = with cheap crude. Thereby preventing any competition and maintaining = OPEC's monopoly. That power is now gone. Perhaps we made the conscious = decision in the cold war to use up everybody else's oil while sitting on = ours...makes sense to me. Then the Greenies emerged or were created. = Regardless of what you or I personally think, bio based distributed = energy is on the way, whether the powers that be want it or not.=20 Just THINK!!! Al Gore could produce at least a couple of barrels a week = from verbal sewage alone. Whether you are a greenie or not, or whether there is oil in the ground = or not is beside the point. Companies, and countries can control something 2000 ft under ground. = Grass clippings, sewage, and bacteria are not so easily controlled. Even = if only half of our energy comes from these sources, it will force the = price of conventional petroleum products down worldwide and end the = monopoly of energy by the few. I'm sure the greenies will find something = to hate about this too. They can jump up and down and scream all they = want. It doesn't matter. You don't still believe the squished up dead dino juice fairytale do = you?? Peace Monty ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8B5AD.BFC07550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ernest....be not afraid!
 
Rejoice!
 
Sounds suspiciously like the Weizmann=20 organism.
 
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/Biobutanol
 
There is no way that any patent on this = gaslight=20 era technology is going to hold up to challenge. They may have bio = engineered=20 the bug to be more productive, and are patenting that.
 
Otherwise this is something you could = do in your=20 back yard with your lawn clippings/sewage and the proper bug and = enzymes. It's=20 no different than making wine. Then you just use fractional distillation = to get=20 the fuel out. It may be possible to separate the constituents =  with a=20 molecular sieve which would be even better.
 
The aviation fuel market is the perfect = place to=20 start something like this, because it is small (relatively) and the oil=20 companies don't really want to be bothered with it. 100LL is going to go = away=20 soon and something must take it's place. If it costs half as much as = 100LL I=20 would gladly buy it. Since the states don't make much revenue from = Aviation=20 Fuel, they won't perceive the threat. That will allow companies in this = market=20 to move forward and eventually achieve economies of scale. Then they can = start=20 to move into the automotive fuel market and the cat is out of = the bag.=20
 
Expecting the government and the oil = companies to=20 solve this problem is asking two foxes to guard the henhouse. =
 
I watched the hearings with the oil = companies and=20 congress on seaspan. If you missed it, my executive summary is = as=20 follows:
 
Government : We make more money per = gallon than=20 anybody. We won't let you drill or build a new refinery. We want the = rest of=20 your profits. We're here to help....honest we are, poor people, evil = capitalist=20 pig, fairness, etc. (wink, wink, thanks for the campaign=20 contribution).
 
Oil Companies: We're making a killing, = but you=20 won't let us drill to bring the cost down to the consumer, or spend = billions on=20 new refineries. Woe is us, Woe is us. People should conserve. (wink = wink,=20 keep up the good work).
 
Lots of noise and smoke........nothing=20 changes.
 
We continue to play the fool in this=20 game.
 
There are various algae and bacteria = that can=20 produce octane, and diesel (lipids) directly. There are currently = many=20 efforts at bio engineering them to be much more efficient. There are = several=20 companies in the commercialization stages of this effort, and third gen = fuels on=20 the way. 1 acre of soybeans can make about 20 barrels of bio-diesel = (first gen),=20 but it requires prime farm land and good water that should be used for = food=20 production. 1 acre of algae can produce 200 barrels of bio-diesel, and = it can do=20 it on a superfund site with municipal effluent (second gen). Third=20 generation fuels are in the works.
 
Bio-tech has advanced tremendously in the last 10 years. In = addition the=20 demand from China, India, Brazil, and the former Eastern Block is making = it=20 impossible for OPEC to drive the price down. That has always been the = real=20 secret weapon. There are many different ways to produce liquid fuels. = Coal to=20 liquids, Gas to Liquids, Oil shale, Biological and thermal processes. = Every time=20 somebody would start to do this, or if we tried to increase domestic oil = production, OPEC would flood the market with cheap crude. Thereby = preventing any=20 competition and maintaining OPEC's monopoly. That power is now=20 gone. Perhaps we made the conscious decision in the cold war to use = up=20 everybody else's oil while sitting on ours...makes sense to me. Then the = Greenies emerged or were created.  Regardless of what you or I = personally think, bio based = distributed energy is=20 on the way, whether the powers that be want it or not. =
 
Just THINK!!! Al Gore could produce at = least a=20 couple of barrels a week from verbal sewage = alone.
 
Whether you are a greenie or not, or = whether there=20 is oil in the ground or not is beside the point.
 
Companies, and countries can control = something 2000=20 ft under ground. Grass clippings, sewage, and bacteria are not so = easily=20 controlled. Even if only half of our energy comes from these sources, it = will=20 force the price of conventional petroleum products down worldwide and = end the=20 monopoly of energy by the few. I'm sure the greenies will find something = to hate=20 about this too. They can jump up and down and scream all they want. It = doesn't=20 matter.
 
You don't still believe the = squished=20 up dead dino juice fairytale do you??
 
Peace
 
Monty
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