X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2920924 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080514005724.QJKX25673.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 20:57:24 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id RCxN1Z00F1CvZmk03CxQJg; Tue, 13 May 2008 20:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c8b55d$77ca6d00$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Oil thoughts Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8B522.CB1A8ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8B522.CB1A8ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure I agree with anything you said without a lot of research to = check your facts. One thing is certain - I disagree with your last = paragraph. While I dont put a whole lot of faith in politicians I put = less in the big oil companies. The profits these guys are reporting = while single handedly wrecking the economy are disgraceful. Lets not = jail them - lets prosecute them for raping our economy. Thats just my opinion. Now can we go back to discussing something less = depressing? Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil thoughts Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the US, I wonder = why we are still looking at biofuels as a source for anything? We know = how to pump oil out of the ground, we are now equipped to do just that.=20 Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% unexplored. There may be a = 60 year supply just in ANWR.=20 Less than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. Fewer know = that ANWR is an acronym. =20 A smaller number will ever see it. None of the West coast waters has = been explored, None of the East coast waters have been explored. The = gulf is only partially explored and the last test well indicates up to = 15 billion barrels may be available at just that one dome. The Chinese = are drilling in the gulf. They are not stupid, and they don't need any = permission from us to drill. What sane person would suggest that we take = off in a new direction looking for an oil substitute?=20 All of the alliterative energy sources in our future, are just pie in = the sky when it comes to replacing oil. If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago had been put on line, = they still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. Its going to be oil for = the next 30 years at least, so we need to quit wishing in one hand and = listening to the tree huggers, and start passing out exploration = permits, and open all government owned lands for exploration. The permit = for building a new refinery should cost $100.00, and take a week to = process. There should be no permit required for exploration, with the = land owners permission. Then start cutting down the amount of oil that = can be imported each year until it is down to zero from the Moslem = controlled sources. Just one super tanker sunk in the strait of Hormuz = and the whole of the earth will be in deep dodo in less than 2 weeks. = And with a real shortage, and the armed forces getting first call you = won't have to worry about high prices, there won't be any oil for = recreational use at all. And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or any kind of = food? The number of independent truckers on the road is dropping daily. = Prices for everything will continue to climb. If there is no additional = payment for fuel the private truck owners cannot make a dime with fuel = over $4.00 a gallon. So their rigs are parked now.=20 Let the free market determine how much alcohol is used in motor fuels. = No price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, period. All food stuffs, = meat and poultry, many plastics, and motor fuels go up because of the = use of ethanol in fuels. The energy available in each gallon goes down = when ethanol is added. It takes more energy to make a gallon than is in = each gallon. Fuel milage goes down with ethanol. With pure ethanol look = for 30% less power, lower milage and more cost. =20 We should be importing oil only from sources we can trust. Mexico and = Canada are two of those.=20 Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us is insane.=20 Two of the choices for president want to tax the oil companies for = windfall profits. This is shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote sense of = the term. Where do we suppose that oil companies, or any company get = their profits? And what will these companies do to make up for profits = lost to the imbeciles in our Government?=20 Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my friends. That will be = $10.00 a gallon for low lead aviation fuel just for starters. But that just my opinion, and I could be wrong. Lynn E. Hanover -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family = favorites at AOL Food. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8B522.CB1A8ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure I agree with anything you said without a lot of research = to check=20 your facts. One thing is certain - I disagree with your last paragraph. = While I=20 dont put a whole lot of faith in politicians I put less in the big oil=20 companies. The profits these guys are reporting while single handedly = wrecking=20 the economy are disgraceful. Lets not jail them - lets prosecute them = for raping=20 our economy.
 
 Thats just my opinion. Now can we go back to discussing = something=20 less depressing?
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 = 7:52 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil = thoughts

Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the US, I = wonder why=20 we are still looking at biofuels as a source for anything? We know how = to pump=20 oil out of the ground, we are now equipped to do just that.
Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% unexplored. There may = be a 60=20 year supply just in ANWR.
Less than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. Fewer = know that=20 ANWR is an acronym. 
A smaller number will ever see it. None of the West coast waters = has been=20 explored, None of the East coast waters have been explored. The gulf = is only=20 partially explored and the last test well indicates up to 15 billion = barrels=20 may be available at just that one dome. The Chinese are drilling in = the gulf.=20 They are not stupid, and they don't need any permission from us to = drill. What=20 sane person would suggest that we take off in a new direction looking = for an=20 oil substitute?
 
All of the alliterative energy sources in our future, are just = pie in the=20 sky when it comes to replacing oil.
If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago had been put on = line, they=20 still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. Its going to be oil for = the next=20 30 years at least, so we need to quit wishing in one hand and = listening to the=20 tree huggers, and start passing out exploration permits, and open all=20 government owned lands for exploration. The permit for building a new = refinery=20 should cost $100.00, and take a week to process. There should be no = permit=20 required for exploration, with the land owners permission. Then start = cutting=20 down the amount of oil that can be imported each year until it is down = to zero=20 from the Moslem controlled sources. Just one super tanker sunk in the = strait=20 of Hormuz and the whole of the earth will be in deep dodo in less than = 2=20 weeks. And with a real shortage, and the armed forces getting first = call you=20 won't have to worry about high prices, there won't be any oil for = recreational=20 use at all.
 
And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or any = kind of=20 food? The number of independent truckers on the road is dropping = daily. Prices=20 for everything will continue to climb. If there is no additional = payment for=20 fuel the private truck owners cannot make a dime with fuel over $4.00 = a=20 gallon. So their rigs are parked now.
 
Let the free market determine how much alcohol is used in motor = fuels. No=20 price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, period. All food stuffs, = meat and=20 poultry, many plastics, and motor fuels go up because of the use=20 of ethanol in fuels. The energy available in each gallon goes = down when=20 ethanol is added. It takes more energy to make a gallon than is in = each=20 gallon. Fuel milage goes down with ethanol. With pure ethanol look for = 30%=20 less power, lower milage and more cost.   
 
We should be importing oil only from sources we can trust. Mexico = and=20 Canada are two of those.
Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us is insane. =
 
Two of the choices for president want to tax the oil companies = for=20 windfall profits. This is shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote sense of = the=20 term. Where do we suppose that oil companies, or any company get their = profits? And what will these companies do to make up for profits lost = to the=20 imbeciles in our Government?
Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my friends. That will be = $10.00 a=20 gallon for low lead aviation fuel just for starters.
 
But that just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
 
Lynn E. Hanover



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