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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:16:27 -0500
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Hmmm,

I think you nailed it Lynn.

Steve Veach

On May 13, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Lehanover@aol.com wrote:

> Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the US, I wonder  
> why we are still looking at biofuels as a source for anything? We  
> know how to pump oil out of the ground, we are now equipped to do  
> just that.
> Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% unexplored. There may be a  
> 60 year supply just in ANWR.
> Less than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. Fewer know  
> that ANWR is an acronym.
> A smaller number will ever see it. None of the West coast waters has  
> been explored, None of the East coast waters have been explored. The  
> gulf is only partially explored and the last test well indicates up  
> to 15 billion barrels may be available at just that one dome. The  
> Chinese are drilling in the gulf. They are not stupid, and they  
> don't need any permission from us to drill. What sane person would  
> suggest that we take off in a new direction looking for an oil  
> substitute?
>
> All of the alliterative energy sources in our future, are just pie  
> in the sky when it comes to replacing oil.
> If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago had been put on line,  
> they still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. Its going to be oil  
> for the next 30 years at least, so we need to quit wishing in one  
> hand and listening to the tree huggers, and start passing out  
> exploration permits, and open all government owned lands for  
> exploration. The permit for building a new refinery should cost  
> $100.00, and take a week to process. There should be no permit  
> required for exploration, with the land owners permission. Then  
> start cutting down the amount of oil that can be imported each year  
> until it is down to zero from the Moslem controlled sources. Just  
> one super tanker sunk in the strait of Hormuz and the whole of the  
> earth will be in deep dodo in less than 2 weeks. And with a real  
> shortage, and the armed forces getting first call you won't have to  
> worry about high prices, there won't be any oil for recreational use  
> at all.
>
> And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or any kind  
> of food? The number of independent truckers on the road is dropping  
> daily. Prices for everything will continue to climb. If there is no  
> additional payment for fuel the private truck owners cannot make a  
> dime with fuel over $4.00 a gallon. So their rigs are parked now.
>
> Let the free market determine how much alcohol is used in motor  
> fuels. No price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, period. All  
> food stuffs, meat and poultry, many plastics, and motor fuels go up  
> because of the use of ethanol in fuels. The energy available in each  
> gallon goes down when ethanol is added. It takes more energy to make  
> a gallon than is in each gallon. Fuel milage goes down with ethanol.  
> With pure ethanol look for 30% less power, lower milage and more cost.
>
> We should be importing oil only from sources we can trust. Mexico  
> and Canada are two of those.
> Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us is insane.
>
> Two of the choices for president want to tax the oil companies for  
> windfall profits. This is shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote sense  
> of the term. Where do we suppose that oil companies, or any company  
> get their profits? And what will these companies do to make up for  
> profits lost to the imbeciles in our Government?
> Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my friends. That will be  
> $10.00 a gallon for low lead aviation fuel just for starters.
>
> But that just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
>
> Lynn E. Hanover
>
>
>
> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family  
> favorites at AOL Food.


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hmmm,<div><br></div><div>I =
think you nailed it Lynn.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve =
Veach</div><div><br><div><div>On May 13, 2008, at 9:52 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:Lehanover@aol.com">Lehanover@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"> <div>Since we are sitting on a 600 year supply of oil in the =
US, I wonder why we are still looking at biofuels as a source for =
anything? We know how to pump oil out of the ground, we are now equipped =
to do just that. </div> <div>Canada is 99.9% unexplored. The US is 98% =
unexplored. There may be a 60 year supply just in ANWR. </div> <div>Less =
than 1% of the US population can find ANWR on a map. Fewer know that =
ANWR is an acronym.&nbsp; </div> <div>A smaller number will ever see it. =
None of the West coast waters has been explored, None of the East coast =
waters have been explored. The gulf is only partially explored and the =
last test well indicates up to 15 billion barrels may be available at =
just that one dome. The Chinese are drilling in the gulf. They are not =
stupid, and they don't need any permission from us to drill. What sane =
person would suggest that we take off in a new direction looking for an =
oil substitute? </div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>All of the alliterative =
energy sources in our future, are just pie in the sky when it comes to =
replacing oil.</div> <div>If all of the future hopes from 10 years ago =
had been put on line, they still wouldn't add up to 1% of the picture. =
Its going to be oil for the next 30 years at least, so we need to quit =
wishing in one hand and listening to the tree huggers, and start passing =
out exploration permits, and open all government owned lands for =
exploration. The permit for building a new refinery should cost $100.00, =
and take a week to process. There should be no permit required for =
exploration, with the land owners permission. Then start cutting down =
the amount of oil that can be imported each year until it is down to =
zero from the Moslem controlled sources. Just one super tanker sunk in =
the strait of Hormuz and the whole of the earth will be in deep dodo in =
less than 2 weeks. And with a real shortage, and the armed forces =
getting first call you won't have to worry about high prices, there =
won't be any oil for recreational use at all.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> =
<div>And then suggest that we make fuel out of feed grains, or any kind =
of food? The number of independent truckers on the road is dropping =
daily. Prices for everything will continue to climb. If there is no =
additional payment for fuel the private truck owners cannot make a dime =
with fuel over $4.00 a gallon. So their rigs are parked now. </div> =
<div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Let the free market determine how much alcohol is =
used in motor fuels. No price supports for corn for ethanol, ever, =
period. All food stuffs, meat and poultry, many plastics, and motor =
fuels go up because of the use of&nbsp;ethanol in fuels. The energy =
available in each gallon goes down when ethanol is added. It takes more =
energy to make a gallon than is in each gallon. Fuel milage goes down =
with ethanol. With pure ethanol look for 30% less power, lower milage =
and more cost. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>We should be =
importing oil only from sources we can trust. Mexico and Canada are two =
of those. </div> <div>Sending cash to the Mideast to be used against us =
is insane. </div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Two of the choices for =
president want to tax the oil companies for windfall profits. This is =
shear genius, in the Wile E. Coyote sense of the term. Where do we =
suppose that oil companies, or any company get their profits? And what =
will these companies do to make up for profits lost to the imbeciles in =
our Government? </div> <div>Why $6.00 a gallon fuel will cover that my =
friends. That will be $10.00 a gallon for low lead aviation fuel just =
for starters.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>But that just my opinion, and =
I could be wrong.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Lynn E. =
Hanover</div><br><br><br><div><font style=3D"color: black; font: normal =
10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><hr style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Wondering what's =
for Dinner Tonight? <a =
title=3D"http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000001" =
href=3D"http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000001" =
target=3D"_blank">Get new twists on family favorites at AOL =
Food</a>.</font></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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