X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2918214 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:50:28 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.16; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QTh41Z04h0b6N64A100E00; Mon, 12 May 2008 03:49:49 +0000 Received: from gregoryii ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QTpo1Z0080dkeQQ8P00000; Mon, 12 May 2008 03:49:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LtSjPyQDmdkA:10 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=Ae3BylfRQDrGxzp6MbAA:9 a=r9Ig54MRFf3GLqlxy80A:7 a=N4FnWmBdiSn7jp0kY7H_wO6VAzMA:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=xfhTqz4Q9mXMk_vUxm0A:9 a=Stt6fNJxXfgvsVsBtooA:7 a=BZNbohzFqWaLA6WoB1AIXocCWa8A:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <004d01c8b3e4$1086e350$8801a8c0@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:55:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C8B3A9.63B0DF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C8B3A9.63B0DF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Tracy; Lost that email where you told me what radiator you are using and who = makes it. Also, getting ready to make a decision on oil cooling. Who = makes the water/oil cooler system I've heard about, and does it work??? Thanks again; Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Yeah, kind of disappointing for a bare bones day VFR airplane. I know = where some of the excess weight is: 1) Ran a ground cable to the batteries in the baggage compartment. = Thats 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. Paranoid about ground loops/noise in = such an electrically dependant airplane. Could use the airframe as a = ground and loose that. 2) Made the exhaust header out of .062" 321 stainless. I'm sure it = could have been .030" and would still live for many years. 3) All the fuel and oil plumbing is Earls braided stainless. And the = oil plumbing is pretty long. 4) Some of the brackets are a little over built. 5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 batteries. If I had Tracy's courage I could = loose 1 battery and 13.5 pounds. I probably should have mentioned that 1027 pounds includes full oil = and coolant. I dont know if you guys are including that in empty weight. = Never understood why the manufacturers dont include oil in empty weight = - not like you can fly very far without it. Anyway, looks like my gross weight is going to be around 1650 rather = than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least the CG looks good. All possible = combinations are within the limits. This probably due to my custom cowl = which let me move the engine a little forward from normal. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, Mine came in at 1090 which is midline for an RV-6 with a FP-prop. = Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 with 200h.p., though I probably = (definitely) gained a few pounds with the latest cowl, radiator, = muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade prop. Waiting until after = painting before I re-weight. My CG is slightly aft of average. Not sure where you are putting on the pounds, I thought for sure you = would have been under 1000. No matter, it's going to fly great! Dave Leonard On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike Wills = wrote: I'm located at Brown Field in San Diego. 8000 feet of pavement at = 500' MSL. Things could be a lot worse. Weighed the airplane today. Either my wife and I or the airplane, = or both need to go on a diet. 1027 pounds empty. Was hoping for less = than 1000. For the RV guys, how did your empty weight come out? = Incidently, with batteries in the baggage compartment the CG looks good. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Mick=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, what airport are you doing your first flight out of? ----- Original Message -----=20 Not sure I really wanted to read the bit about after takeoff = engine failure at this point. Too close to first flight to have that put = in my head. I'll probably appreciate this a lot more after I get some = flight hours under my belt. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C8B3A9.63B0DF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Tracy;
Lost that email where you told me what radiator = you are=20 using and who makes it.  Also, getting ready to make a decision on = oil=20 cooling.  Who makes the water/oil cooler system I've heard about, = and does=20 it work???
Thanks again;
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Wills
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:40 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy = Chested=20 Heroes

Yeah, kind of disappointing for a = bare bones day=20 VFR airplane. I know where some of the excess weight is:
 
1) Ran a ground cable to the = batteries in the=20 baggage compartment. Thats 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. Paranoid = about=20 ground loops/noise in such an electrically dependant = airplane. Could use=20 the airframe as a ground and loose that.
 
2) Made the exhaust header out of = .062" 321=20 stainless. I'm sure it could have been .030" and would still live for = many=20 years.
 
3) All the fuel and oil plumbing = is Earls=20 braided stainless. And the oil plumbing is pretty long.
 
4) Some of the brackets are a little = over=20 built.
 
5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 batteries. = If I=20 had Tracy's courage I could loose 1 battery and 13.5 = pounds.
 
I probably should have mentioned that = 1027 pounds=20 includes full oil and coolant. I dont know if you guys are including = that in=20 empty weight. Never understood why the manufacturers dont include oil = in empty=20 weight - not like you can fly very far without it.
 
Anyway, looks like my gross weight is = going to be=20 around 1650 rather than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least the CG = looks good.=20 All possible combinations are within the limits. This probably due to = my=20 custom cowl which let me move the engine a little forward from=20 normal.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Hairy Chested=20 Heroes

Mike,

Mine came in at 1090 which is midline = for an=20 RV-6 with a FP-prop.  Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 with = 200h.p.,=20 though I probably (definitely) gained a few pounds with the latest = cowl,=20 radiator, muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade prop.  = Waiting until=20 after painting before I re-weight.  My CG is slightly aft of=20 average.

Not sure where you are putting on the pounds, I = thought for=20 sure you would have been under 1000.

No matter, it's going to = fly=20 great!

Dave Leonard

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike Wills = <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
I'm located at Brown Field in San = Diego. 8000=20 feet of pavement at 500' MSL. Things could be a lot = worse.
 
Weighed the airplane today. = Either my wife=20 and I or the airplane, or both need to go on a diet. 1027 pounds = empty.=20 Was hoping for less than 1000. For the RV guys, how did your = empty=20 weight come out? Incidently, with batteries in the baggage = compartment the=20 CG looks good.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry Mick
To:=20 Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes

Mike, what airport are you = doing your first=20 flight out of?


----- Original Message ----- =

Not sure I really wanted to read the = bit about=20 after takeoff engine failure at this point. Too close to first = flight to=20 have that put in my head. I'll probably appreciate this a lot = more after=20 I get some flight hours under my belt.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4=20 = N144MW

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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 = N4VY
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