X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2918225 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:41:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080512034030.VDI7113.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:30 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id QTgU1Z00b1CvZmk04TgWKf; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c8b3e1$ed5fef40$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:40:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C8B3A7.40BE41E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C8B3A7.40BE41E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, kind of disappointing for a bare bones day VFR airplane. I know = where some of the excess weight is: 1) Ran a ground cable to the batteries in the baggage compartment. Thats = 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. Paranoid about ground loops/noise in such = an electrically dependant airplane. Could use the airframe as a ground = and loose that. 2) Made the exhaust header out of .062" 321 stainless. I'm sure it could = have been .030" and would still live for many years. 3) All the fuel and oil plumbing is Earls braided stainless. And the oil = plumbing is pretty long. 4) Some of the brackets are a little over built. 5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 batteries. If I had Tracy's courage I could = loose 1 battery and 13.5 pounds. I probably should have mentioned that 1027 pounds includes full oil and = coolant. I dont know if you guys are including that in empty weight. = Never understood why the manufacturers dont include oil in empty weight = - not like you can fly very far without it. Anyway, looks like my gross weight is going to be around 1650 rather = than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least the CG looks good. All possible = combinations are within the limits. This probably due to my custom cowl = which let me move the engine a little forward from normal. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, Mine came in at 1090 which is midline for an RV-6 with a FP-prop. = Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 with 200h.p., though I probably = (definitely) gained a few pounds with the latest cowl, radiator, = muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade prop. Waiting until after = painting before I re-weight. My CG is slightly aft of average. Not sure where you are putting on the pounds, I thought for sure you = would have been under 1000. No matter, it's going to fly great! Dave Leonard On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike Wills wrote: I'm located at Brown Field in San Diego. 8000 feet of pavement at = 500' MSL. Things could be a lot worse. Weighed the airplane today. Either my wife and I or the airplane, or = both need to go on a diet. 1027 pounds empty. Was hoping for less than = 1000. For the RV guys, how did your empty weight come out? Incidently, = with batteries in the baggage compartment the CG looks good. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Mick=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, what airport are you doing your first flight out of? ----- Original Message -----=20 Not sure I really wanted to read the bit about after takeoff = engine failure at this point. Too close to first flight to have that put = in my head. I'll probably appreciate this a lot more after I get some = flight hours under my belt. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C8B3A7.40BE41E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, kind of disappointing for a bare = bones day=20 VFR airplane. I know where some of the excess weight is:
 
1) Ran a ground cable to the batteries = in the=20 baggage compartment. Thats 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. Paranoid = about=20 ground loops/noise in such an electrically dependant = airplane. Could use=20 the airframe as a ground and loose that.
 
2) Made the exhaust header out of .062" = 321=20 stainless. I'm sure it could have been .030" and would still live for = many=20 years.
 
3) All the fuel and oil plumbing = is Earls=20 braided stainless. And the oil plumbing is pretty long.
 
4) Some of the brackets are a little = over=20 built.
 
5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 batteries. = If I had=20 Tracy's courage I could loose 1 battery and 13.5 pounds.
 
I probably should have mentioned that = 1027 pounds=20 includes full oil and coolant. I dont know if you guys are including = that in=20 empty weight. Never understood why the manufacturers dont include oil in = empty=20 weight - not like you can fly very far without it.
 
Anyway, looks like my gross weight is = going to be=20 around 1650 rather than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least the CG looks = good.=20 All possible combinations are within the limits. This probably due to my = custom=20 cowl which let me move the engine a little forward from = normal.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:15 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy = Chested=20 Heroes

Mike,

Mine came in at 1090 which is midline for = an RV-6=20 with a FP-prop.  Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 with 200h.p., = though=20 I probably (definitely) gained a few pounds with the latest cowl, = radiator,=20 muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade prop.  Waiting until = after=20 painting before I re-weight.  My CG is slightly aft of=20 average.

Not sure where you are putting on the pounds, I = thought for=20 sure you would have been under 1000.

No matter, it's going to = fly=20 great!

Dave Leonard

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike Wills = <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
I'm located at Brown Field in San = Diego. 8000=20 feet of pavement at 500' MSL. Things could be a lot = worse.
 
Weighed the airplane today. Either = my wife and=20 I or the airplane, or both need to go on a diet. 1027 pounds empty. = Was=20 hoping for less than 1000. For the RV guys, how did your empty = weight=20 come out? Incidently, with batteries in the baggage compartment the = CG looks=20 good.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry Mick
To:=20 Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes

Mike, what airport are you doing = your first=20 flight out of?


----- Original Message ----- =

Not sure I really wanted to read the bit = about after=20 takeoff engine failure at this point. Too close to first flight to = have=20 that put in my head. I'll probably appreciate this a lot more = after I get=20 some flight hours under my belt.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4=20 = N144MW

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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 = N4VY
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