Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #42792
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Plastic Casting Plenum and Inserts (long story)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:53:35 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thought I would pass this on for general interest.
 
Its often been said that using electronic fuel injection and throttle bodies that should the throttle body fall off, the pilot would likely not notice until they tried to retard the engine power - I have reason to believe this postulation correct {:>). 
 
As some of you know I have been flying with a plastic cast intake manifold (actually the throttle body mount and "Plenum" to tie the secondary and primary runners together to get the DEI effect) for the past 4 years (see attached photo).
 
Due to a oversight on my part concerning the angle of the throttle body cable to the throttle body,  it had been difficult to get the throttle plate to close completely leading to a slightly higher idle rpm than desired (2000 instead of 1600-1800 rpm).  To remedy that problem, I had changed the angle of the throttle cable about six months ago and apparently also increase the static pull of the cable on the throttle body as well.   I noticed upon my last landing, that on landing roll-out  that my "idle" rpm had increased to 2600-2800 rpm.  Humm, may have had something to do with a longer than normal roll-out.
 
After taking off the cowling I immediately spotted the problem.  The throttle body plastic casting was loose on its aluminum mounting plate (bottom of casting).  Upon closer examination the problem was evident - some of the metal inserts placed in the plastic for the mounting bolts had pulled loose - apparently due to the increased pull of the adjusted throttle cable.
 
When I had cast this particular plastic  manifold (number 4 in a series), I could not find the desired metal inserts you place in the plastic to for the metal mounting bolts.   I really wanted to use a particular type (there are a large number of various inserts)  as I never had one of them pull loose with my previous three castings.  My normal source was out of the inserts and could not locate a new supplier - I tried several suppliers,  but simply could not find any anywhere.  So I resorted to my second choice of metal insert.  It turns out that the substitute insert technique of holding in the plastic (at least against the force in this case) was not up to this particular task and forces.
 
Four years ago, after casting the manifold and implanting the second choice inserts, I later found a source in Germany for the type of inserts I wanted to use in the first place (had to buy 100 of the suckers as their minimum order) .  The preferred inserts have a nylon ball at the bottom of the insert (which is barbed and slotted).  When the bolt is inserted, the bottom of the bolt pushes down on the nylon ball cause it to flatten and expand outward.  The expanded nylon ball pushes the metal barbs outward and into the plastic with considerable force securely anchoring the insert in the hole in the plastic.  The only better method (in my opinion) is to cast the insert with the liquid plastic - but, that was just a bit more involved that I could figure out how to easily do.
 
So one may ask, why didn't I replace them once I got the preferred inserts - well, the process of pulling an insert out is highly likely to enlarge (or destroy) the hole in the plastic.  Since the inserts originally installed appeared to be doing the job, I decided nothing to be gained by trying to retrofit the new inserts.  That is until I discovered the effects of the "adjusted" the throttle cable.
 
The failed inserts simply had barbed extrusions slightly larger than the hole which eventually worked loose under the load and vibration.  In the process, they took a small amount of embedded plastic material with it.  Fortunately,  they worked out in such a manner to leave small grooves in the walls of the hole as they pulled out, but did not enlarge the overall hole diameter.  So the hole in the plastic is relatively undamaged - with just some small grooves.  
 
 The new inserts expand to fill the hole and have a barb forming  the circumference of the bottom of the insert that dig into the plastic at the bottom of the hole.  So you have to pull a plug of plastic the diameter of the expanded bottom of the insert out of the casting (which has a high shear strength) in order to get the new preferred inserts out.  That is one reason why I wanted to go with these in the first place - plus I had used them before and never had one pull out.
 
I don't know of anyone else who is using plastic castings in this manner, but thought I would past my along my experience.  My experience with this particular application indicates that the various barbed inserts may not providing adequate holding strength under all conditions. 
 
 My preference is for the inserts which are slotted and have the nylon expansion ball in the bottom.  The tighter you turn in the bolt the more force the compressed ball puts on pushing the bottom barbs of the insert into the plastic material.  This seems to work well for high shear-strength plastic compounds. You may want to be cautious about using them in a hole near the edge of the casting as if there is insufficient material - the force of the barb expanding could crack the plastic toward the edge. However, I am a novice in casting plastic and metal inserts - so you would be well advised to check with industrial experts on your choice of inserts.
 
As I always say - "If you are going to make a mistake - advanced the state of the art and make a new one, don't make the same old mistake I made - we already know how that turned out!!"
 
Oh, yes, I will continue to fly with the plastic manifold.  Having it off gave me the chance to check for any cracks or other signs of  deterioration from 4 years of under the cowl use and there was none that I could find.  The ability to form complex shapes easily using foam molds for casting the plastic and its apparent resistance to conditions under the cowl makes some plastics look interesting for aircraft use.  While the compound I used, has a fairly high temperature resistance, I have not gotten to the point where I would use plastic for manifold parts closer to the hot block or exhaust parts.  I have visions of melted plastic {:>)
 
FWIW
 
Ed
 
 
 
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