X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2916362 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:00:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080510140018.GRXD720.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 14:00:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c8b2a6$329993a0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:00:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C8B284.AB2ADF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C8B284.AB2ADF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, No, never thought of that option - certainly have plenty of plugs around = to try it on. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to give it a try. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Maher=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel = Additive Ed, Since lead melts at a relatively low temp have your tried using a propane torch to heat the plugs and let the lead drip off. I don't know if it would work but it might be worth a try. Jim Ed Anderson wrote: Actually, I did, Todd. They guy sent me a complimentary spot of the = stuff. I flew with it for over 20 hours and it not only did not help = but actually seemed to leave more deposits. In the end after some = research on the topic, I came to the conclusion that the temperatures = did not go high enough to cause the chemical reaction that bound the = lead. In other words, it would work with the high temperatures reached = in air cooled cylinder heads but apparently not with the lower temp = water cooled blocks. At least, that was my conclusion. One of these days, I am going to find a heavy duty ultrasonic = cleaner and see if that might "buzz" the lead deposit off the ceramic = (without pulverizing the ceramic). Typical abrasive blasting does not = work very well due to the shrouding effect of the multiple ground = electrodes which tend to shield the ceramic cone. Thanks for bring it to my attention Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Bartrim=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Emailing: Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel = Additive Hi Ed; I recall a few years ago you were trying a few witch's potions = in your quest to remove lead from your plugs. Did you ever try this = stuff? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - =20 =20 =20 Decalin RunUpT Fuel Additive in a 16 or 32 ounce = bottle, use at 1/2 oz per 10 gallons fuel.=20 a.. Helps prevent rough running due to plug fouling=20 b.. Upgraded formulation to combat combustion = chamber deposits.=20 c.. Prevents valve seat erosion from valve seat = micro welding.=20 d.. Does not contain volatile solvents so it is safe = to ship and safe in the cockpit. You can carry it with you for = out-of-town airports.=20 e.. Easy to use graduated measuring and dispensing = reservoir built into the bottle. No messy syringes!=20 f.. Tested and stable down to 0 degrees F.=20 =20 Decalin RunUp is not approved for use in the engines of = certified aircraft but it has the same active ingredient, Tri Cresyl = Phosphate as our previous product. Lycoming clone users have reported = very good results when using this product. Notes on using Decalin RunUp : Some white deposits may be seen on the plugs and in the = exhaust pipe during use; this is normal with RunUp since the lead in the = fuel is being converted to non conductive lead phosphate. When no = additive is used, lead oxide is formed. It is lead oxide which causes = plugs to misfire due to its partial conductivity shorting out the plug. = In addition, lead oxide tends to form in large clumps or clinkers = whereas the lead phosphate is crumbly and if any is left behind in the = combustion chamber it deposits in even layers. =20 Make sure you remove and clean your oxygen sensor every 20 = hours to remove these lead phosphate deposits when using Decalin RunUp.=20 The dosage of 1/2 ounce per ten gallons of fuel is a = minimum. This can be increased to a maximum of 2 ounces per gallon for = problem engines.=20 =20 Contact Information: Phone: Fixed Line 650-353-5062 Cell 209-814-2313 793 South Tracy Blvd #319, Tracy, CA 95376 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C8B284.AB2ADF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,
 
No, never thought of that = option -=20 certainly have plenty of plugs around to try it on.  Thanks for the = suggestion. I'll have to give it a try.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James = Maher=20
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 = 9:32=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Emailing:=20 Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive

Ed,
Since lead melts at a relatively low temp have your tried using = a
propane torch to heat the plugs and let the lead drip off.
I don't know if it would work but it might be worth a try.
 
Jim

Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Actually, I did, = Todd.  They guy=20 sent me a complimentary spot of the stuff.  I flew with it for = over 20=20 hours and it not only did not help but actually seemed to leave more = deposits.  In the end after some research on the topic, I came = to the=20 conclusion that the temperatures did not go high enough to cause the = chemical reaction that bound the lead.  In other words, it = would work=20 with the high temperatures reached in air cooled cylinder heads but=20 apparently not with the lower temp water cooled blocks.  At = least, that=20 was my conclusion.
 
One of these days, I am = going to find=20 a heavy duty ultrasonic cleaner and see if that might "buzz" the = lead=20 deposit off the ceramic (without pulverizing the ceramic).  = Typical=20 abrasive blasting does not work very well due to the shrouding = effect of the=20 multiple ground electrodes which tend to shield the ceramic=20 cone.
 
Thanks for bring it to my=20 attention
 
Ed
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Todd=20 Bartrim
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, May 10, = 2008 2:09=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Emailing:=20 Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive

Hi=20 Ed;
   =20 I recall a few years ago you were trying a few witch's potions=20 in your quest to remove lead from your plugs. Did you ever = try this=20 stuff?
 
 

Decalin=20 RunUp=99 Fuel Additive in a 16 or 32 ounce = bottle, use at=20 1/2 oz per 10 gallons = fuel. 

  • Helps prevent=20 rough running due to plug fouling =
  • Upgraded=20 formulation to combat combustion chamber deposits.=20
  • Prevents valve=20 seat erosion from valve seat micro welding.=20
  • Does = not=20 contain volatile solvents so it is safe to ship and = safe in=20 the cockpit.  You can carry it with you for = out-of-town=20 airports.
  • Easy = to use=20 graduated measuring and dispensing reservoir built = into the=20 bottle.  No messy syringes! =
  • Tested and=20 stable down to 0 degrees F.=20 =
Decalin RunUp is not approved for = use in the=20 engines of certified aircraft but it has the same active = ingredient,=20 Tri Cresyl=20 Phosphate as our previous product. = Lycoming=20 clone users have reported very good results when using this=20 product.
Notes on using Decalin RunUp=20 :
Some white deposits may be seen on = the plugs=20 and in the exhaust pipe during use; this is normal with = RunUp since=20 the lead in the fuel is being converted to non conductive = lead=20 phosphate.  When no additive is used, lead oxide is=20 formed.  It is lead oxide which causes plugs to misfire = due to=20 its partial conductivity shorting out the plug.  In = addition,=20 lead oxide tends to form in large clumps or clinkers whereas = the=20 lead phosphate is crumbly and if any is left behind in the=20 combustion chamber it deposits in even layers. =20
Make sure you remove and clean = your oxygen=20 sensor every 20 hours to remove these lead phosphate = deposits when=20 using Decalin RunUp.
The dosage of 1/2 ounce per ten = gallons of=20 fuel is a minimum.  This can be increased to a maximum = of 2=20 ounces per gallon for problem=20 engines.
 

Contact=20 Information:

Phone: Fixed=20 Line  650-353-5062    Cell=20 209-814-2313
793 South Tracy Blvd #319, Tracy, CA 95376=20
 
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