X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2916223 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 May 2008 08:42:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080510124221.NBW2106.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c8b29b$4ea859b0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Emailing: Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:42:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8B279.C7434280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8B279.C7434280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Decalin Chemicals: RunUp Fuel AdditiveActually, I did, Todd. They guy = sent me a complimentary spot of the stuff. I flew with it for over 20 = hours and it not only did not help but actually seemed to leave more = deposits. In the end after some research on the topic, I came to the = conclusion that the temperatures did not go high enough to cause the = chemical reaction that bound the lead. In other words, it would work = with the high temperatures reached in air cooled cylinder heads but = apparently not with the lower temp water cooled blocks. At least, that = was my conclusion. One of these days, I am going to find a heavy duty ultrasonic cleaner = and see if that might "buzz" the lead deposit off the ceramic (without = pulverizing the ceramic). Typical abrasive blasting does not work very = well due to the shrouding effect of the multiple ground electrodes which = tend to shield the ceramic cone. Thanks for bring it to my attention Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Bartrim=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Emailing: Decalin Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive Hi Ed; I recall a few years ago you were trying a few witch's potions in = your quest to remove lead from your plugs. Did you ever try this stuff? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =20 =20 =20 =20 Decalin RunUpT Fuel Additive in a 16 or 32 ounce bottle, = use at 1/2 oz per 10 gallons fuel.=20 a.. Helps prevent rough running due to plug fouling=20 b.. Upgraded formulation to combat combustion chamber = deposits.=20 c.. Prevents valve seat erosion from valve seat micro = welding.=20 d.. Does not contain volatile solvents so it is safe to = ship and safe in the cockpit. You can carry it with you for out-of-town = airports.=20 e.. Easy to use graduated measuring and dispensing = reservoir built into the bottle. No messy syringes!=20 f.. Tested and stable down to 0 degrees F.=20 =20 Decalin RunUp is not approved for use in the engines of = certified aircraft but it has the same active ingredient, Tri Cresyl = Phosphate as our previous product. Lycoming clone users have reported = very good results when using this product. Notes on using Decalin RunUp : Some white deposits may be seen on the plugs and in the exhaust = pipe during use; this is normal with RunUp since the lead in the fuel is = being converted to non conductive lead phosphate. When no additive is = used, lead oxide is formed. It is lead oxide which causes plugs to = misfire due to its partial conductivity shorting out the plug. In = addition, lead oxide tends to form in large clumps or clinkers whereas = the lead phosphate is crumbly and if any is left behind in the = combustion chamber it deposits in even layers. =20 Make sure you remove and clean your oxygen sensor every 20 hours = to remove these lead phosphate deposits when using Decalin RunUp.=20 The dosage of 1/2 ounce per ten gallons of fuel is a minimum. = This can be increased to a maximum of 2 ounces per gallon for problem = engines. =20 =20 =20 Contact Information: Phone: Fixed Line 650-353-5062 Cell 209-814-2313 793 South Tracy Blvd #319, Tracy, CA 95376=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8B279.C7434280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Decalin Chemicals: = RunUp Fuel Additive
Actually, I did, Todd.  = They guy sent=20 me a complimentary spot of the stuff.  I flew with it for over 20 = hours and=20 it not only did not help but actually seemed to leave more = deposits.  In=20 the end after some research on the topic, I came to the conclusion that = the=20 temperatures did not go high enough to cause the chemical reaction that = bound=20 the lead.  In other words, it would work with the high temperatures = reached=20 in air cooled cylinder heads but apparently not with the lower temp = water cooled=20 blocks.  At least, that was my conclusion.
 
One of these days, I am going = to find a=20 heavy duty ultrasonic cleaner and see if that might "buzz" the lead = deposit off=20 the ceramic (without pulverizing the ceramic).  Typical abrasive = blasting=20 does not work very well due to the shrouding effect of the multiple = ground=20 electrodes which tend to shield the ceramic cone.
 
Thanks for bring it to my=20 attention
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd = Bartrim=20
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 = 2:09=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Emailing: = Decalin=20 Chemicals RunUp Fuel Additive

Hi=20 Ed;

   =20 I recall a few years ago you were trying a few witch's potions = in your=20 quest to remove lead from your plugs. Did you ever try this=20 stuff?

 

 

Decalin=20 RunUp=99 Fuel Additive in a 16 or 32 ounce = bottle, use at 1/2=20 oz per 10 gallons fuel. 

  • Helps = prevent=20 rough running due to plug fouling =
  • Upgraded = formulation to combat combustion chamber deposits.=20
  • Prevents = valve=20 seat erosion from valve seat micro welding.=20
  • Does not = contain=20 volatile solvents so it is safe to ship and safe in the=20 cockpit.  You can carry it with you for out-of-town = airports.
  • Easy to = use=20 graduated measuring and dispensing reservoir built into = the=20 bottle.  No messy syringes! =
  • Tested = and stable=20 down to 0 degrees F.=20

Decalin RunUp is not approved for use = in the=20 engines of certified aircraft but it has the same active = ingredient,=20 Tri Cresyl=20 Phosphate as our previous product. = Lycoming=20 clone users have reported very good results when using this=20 product.

Notes on using Decalin RunUp=20 :

Some white deposits may be seen on the = plugs and=20 in the exhaust pipe during use; this is normal with RunUp since = the lead=20 in the fuel is being converted to non conductive lead = phosphate. =20 When no additive is used, lead oxide is formed.  It is lead = oxide=20 which causes plugs to misfire due to its partial conductivity = shorting=20 out the plug.  In addition, lead oxide tends to form in = large=20 clumps or clinkers whereas the lead phosphate is crumbly and if = any is=20 left behind in the combustion chamber it deposits in even = layers. =20

Make sure you remove and clean your = oxygen=20 sensor every 20 hours to remove these lead phosphate deposits = when using=20 Decalin RunUp.

The dosage of 1/2 ounce per ten = gallons of fuel=20 is a minimum.  This can be increased to a maximum of 2 = ounces per=20 gallon for problem = engines.

 

Contact=20 Information:

Phone: Fixed=20 Line  650-353-5062    Cell = 209-814-2313
793=20 South Tracy Blvd #319, Tracy, CA 95376=20

 

 

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