Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41900
From: Tom-Lynn Koftinoff <tomk@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Unusual Noise in Engine
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:14:14 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, I am using the stock (Heavy) flywheel.   I am also using the stock Mazda coils (with a 20 watt .33 ohm resistor added to the leading coil, as per Tracy's guide) that came with the '88 engine, and Tracy's EC2. 
I'll try to determine if the sound is coincidental with one of the plugs firing.
 
I appreciate the help.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Unusual Noise in Engine

Does it have the stock (Heavy) flywheel on it? It would be difficult to detonate the engine without a load and at least partial throttle. More typically  it takes wide open throttle to do it. But low RPM is not protection against it. My driver has done it right off idle.  With just a flex plate the engine can shake the transmission in acceleration and deceleration hard enough to sound like it has rocks inside it. With the stock flywheel this is not possible. Typical race car idle is at 2,000 to 2,200 RPM with no flywheel mass to avoid trans damage.
 
That timing is fine. anywhere between 20 and 27 degrees is fine. It can be fixed at those numbers and still start and run just fine. The lowest octane fuel is fine.
 
Check the timing on the trailing (upper most) plugs to be sure that they do not fire ahead of the leading (lower) plugs. If there is a timing split at all the trailing must  be behind the leading. For your operation the stock plugs are a very cold heat range and with no load to heat the plugs, fouling will be a problem.
You can run a conventional looking street plug medium or retracted tip with no problems at all. For a high load like a prop, then you need to go back the Mazda plugs. 
 
The sound you describe sounds like a cross fire or a light detonation. So put a timing light on all 4 wires and see if the sound is coincidental with one of them firing. The split timing helps torque just a bit down low. With the RPM that will be used in aircraft leading and trailing at the same time is simple and effective.
 
Dress the wires well away from each other. Is it a direct fire ignition?
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/10/2008 3:17:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tomk@telus.net writes:
My question is regarding the noise that I hear.  Has anyone experienced such a noise?  I have noticed the engine missing sporadically at low RPM's with a load on it, and the fuel/air mixture gauge showing five to six LEDS.   Can a miss, detonation, bad timing, fouled plug(s) etc cause such a noise?  My timing is very close to 23 degrees BTDC.   When I turn the engine over manually (i.e., with socket and ratchet) the engine feels like it has good compression, and doesn't make any strange noises, such as, anything broken or loose inside.    I may tear the engine apart to inspect the inside, later this year.  
 
Thanks,
 
 
Tom



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