X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2784642 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:15:11 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.96; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zClF1Y05517UAYkA902x00; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:13:43 +0000 Received: from ChristopherNB ([98.200.107.125]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zEEV1Y00B2iMkLq8Z00000; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:14:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RoLSI3_3yJUA:10 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=zigWGACLGqisk8ae8J0A:9 a=bZLX-3WQyzXBzCuz41sA:7 a=d4oX_Pn1qSLteHzaVP1qhUz6f6YA:4 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Message-ID: <9ECC693D8F2D4D67817A77E34CE41A40@ChristopherNB> From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Coolant leak - the teardown Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:14:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 So guys, what do y'all think. What do you think is causing the coolant in the rotor housings. I really want to figure this out before I put the dang thing back together. Your help is appreciated. TIA. All the best, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Staten" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Coolant leak - the teardown > Well.. today we tore the engine apart.. the short and sweet of it is there > is no obvious source of a coolant leak. > > Took the engine apart without too much trouble.. > > As we pulled off all the housings we checked the rotor faces, the grooves, > the seals and the intake ports for any sign of a leak or blowout. None was > forthcoming. I had expected to see a blown out coolant o-ring groove, but > all were intact. Felt the intake ports, no sign of a problem there either. > I had only ported the center iron, so the other two end irons were stock. > So as it stands, we have an engine that is giving us no obvious reason for > a coolant leak. The bolts werent loose at all.. they were so snug from > tape and silicone it took a hammer and vise grips to extract them once > they were untightened.. So thats the semi good news..... nothing obvious. > > Now the bad news.. > > When we took the engine apart, I was concerned about how the rebuild > itself went.. and how things held up to our first attempt at building the > engine. I examined things as we took them apart and paid particular > attention to the front end. > > I was even showing Chris how the front bearings can be a problem if you > loosen the front bolt and cause a bearing to get pinched.. well the front > bearing on the outside of the thrust plate looked fine. Took off the > thrust plate and discovered that the other bearing had destroyed itself. > At this point, Chis chimed in that there was metal bits in the oil when he > drained it, and lo and behold the bits resembled the roller pins in the > bearing.. > > The spacer had welded itself with the inner ring on the destroyed bearing, > forming a spoked wheel, and the inside of the thrust plate had wear damage > to it as well. > > I am certain i know when this happened. During assembly, everything went > as it should. end play was ok. I had installed the stock pulley on the > front at the time of rebuild. After we added the PSRU I was no longer able > to check end play, as it secured the engine's flywheel travel. > > At some point, we purchased and I added a double pulley, and while i took > care not to let things shift around, I am suspecting that this is when it > happened. The lesson: don't remove the front nut if you cant check end > play or put the engine vertical. > > The remainder of things looked great - no missing pieces, nothing burnt, > no gouges... 10 hours of use on the ground and thats what weve found. > > Dave > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >