X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.190] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTPS id 2581497 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:47:14 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.190; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-79-144.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.79.144]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id lBELkR83011058 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:46:28 +1100 Message-ID: <005001c83e9a$c927e5e0$904fecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: HCCi Engine Technology Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:46:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C83EEE.99BF5190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C83EEE.99BF5190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, They say progress is good- but I wonder sometimes, OR is that because = I'm just gettin old. George (down under) George,=20 I can't give you the total lowdown on HCCI, other than people have = been working for ages on how to make ICE's more efficient. Since they = only use 30% of the available energy that should be doable! For the cheapest gas in MY life I remember in 1969 my dad bought a = new VW bug as a commute car and we had fun driving around town trying to = find the cheapest fuel. The station was close to our home run by Hudson = and the price was $0.26 a gallon. Almost 4 gallons for a buck rather = than the other way round! Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: George Lendich To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:35 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HCCi Engine Technology Lynn and Bill, I googled it, which I should have done initially and some sites stated = it had been around for about 30 years. I guess they didn't really need = it then. I tell my Son, back in 1967 I remember getting fuel for 5 = cents a liter or 20 cents a gallon - he can't believe it. I guess that's = 40 years ago, but you know what I mean. Does anyone remember what it = cost in the US in 1967. I had a look at one site and they showed a computer generated fuel = burn progression, HCCI was a lot faster, and in all areas at the same = time. One site suggested it worked best with DI. George (down under) Their comments on the technology are as mentioned before either high = compression or intake heating are required. Supercharging or intake is = also a way to high cylinder pressure. Right now they say that the = trouble for the tech is controlling the timing event. They say the = system works well but doesn't transition to high load well. Right now = another hopeful technology that's not ready quite yet. Bill Jepson About 30 years ago a guy named Yanuck built a V-2 from part of a = small block Chevy. It had a small turbo to maintain positive inlet = pressure and the exhaust system strung through the inlet manifold. It = was mounted in an old Mercury Capri. It would pull away from a stop at = near zero RPM in top gear. It had the Capri carb. Got great milage. = Never detonated. Was quiet. GM engineers drove it with him in the seat beside them. One couldn't = believe that the exhaust system was coiled inside the intake, so he put = his hand on it and burned himself comprehensively.=20 Smokey was paid to work on various projects for GM. This car and = engine were not on the GM list, and was all Smokys ideas. He wanted to = maintain control of the idea, and GM wanted to buy it outright. So = instead of buying a license from Smokey and being the top of the heap = today, GM shoved the pistol down behind their belt buckle and pulled the = trigger. Smokey disassembled the engine and crushed the car. The superheated = intake idea and its refined effective systems died with smokey. And = still the struggle goes on to achieve what has been done so long ago.=20 Lynn E. Hanover ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes = (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: = 11/12/2007 5:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- More new features than ever. 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Bill,
They say progress is good- but I wonder = sometimes,=20 OR is that because I'm just gettin old.
George (down under)
George,
I can't give you the total lowdown on HCCI, other than people = have been=20 working for ages on how to make ICE's more efficient. Since they only = use 30%=20 of the available energy that should be doable!
For the cheapest gas in MY life I  remember in 1969 my dad = bought a=20 new VW bug as a commute car and we had fun driving around town trying = to find=20 the cheapest fuel. The station was close to our home run by Hudson and = the=20 price was $0.26 a gallon. Almost 4 gallons for a buck rather than the = other=20 way round!
Bill Jepson


-----Original Message-----
From: George = Lendich=20 <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:35=20 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HCCi Engine Technology

 Lynn and=20 Bill,
I googled it, which I should have = done initially=20 and some sites stated it had been around for about 30 years. I guess = they=20 didn't really need it then.  I tell my Son, back in 1967 I = remember=20 getting fuel for 5 cents a liter or 20 cents a gallon - he can't = believe it. I=20 guess that's 40 years ago, but you know what I mean. Does anyone = remember what=20 it cost in the US in 1967.
 I had a look at one site and = they showed a=20 computer generated fuel burn progression, HCCI was a lot faster, and = in all=20 areas at the same time. One site suggested it worked best with=20 DI.
George (down under)
 
 
Their comments=20 on the technology are as mentioned before either high compression or = intake=20 heating are required. Supercharging or intake is also a way to high = cylinder=20 pressure. Right now they say that the trouble for the tech is = controlling the=20 timing event. They say the system works well but doesn't transition to = high=20 load well. Right now another hopeful technology that's not ready quite = yet.
Bill Jepson


About=20 30 years ago a guy named Yanuck built a V-2 from part of a small = block=20 Chevy. It had a small turbo to maintain positive inlet pressure and = the=20 exhaust system strung through the inlet manifold. It was mounted in = an old=20 Mercury Capri. It would pull away from a stop at near zero RPM in = top gear.=20 It had the Capri carb. Got great milage. Never detonated. Was = quiet.
GM=20 engineers drove it with him in the seat beside them. One couldn't = believe=20 that the exhaust system was coiled inside the intake, so he put his = hand on=20 it and burned himself comprehensively.
Smokey was paid to work = on=20 various projects for GM. This car and engine were not on the GM = list, and=20 was all Smokys ideas. He wanted to maintain control of the idea, and = GM=20 wanted to buy it outright. So instead of buying a license from = Smokey and=20 being the top of the heap today, GM shoved the pistol down behind = their belt=20 buckle and pulled the trigger.

Smokey disassembled the engine = and=20 crushed the car. The superheated intake idea and its refined = effective=20 systems died with smokey. And still the struggle goes on to achieve = what has=20 been done so long ago.

Lynn E.=20 = Hanover


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