Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40648
From: Ben Baltrusaitis <expressben@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Methods of charge cooling was Water/Meth injection
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:40:45 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks, Bill and Ed,
I found it amazing what the Subaru dudes are doing with their street engines! What is curious is the fact that common windshield washer fluid was used for injection and the injection systems actually used the windshield washer tank as the reservoir. They say they can get up to 4 tanks of gas to one gallon of water/meth.
 
I brought up the idea for the Rotary because of the hot exhaust problems and for the fact that the apex seals cannot stand detonation. This can be a good solution if progressive injection programming is used. The EFI program needs to be adjusted to reduce fuel as water/meth is added. The injection can be programmed to limit use by rpm or boost level.
Regards,
Ben
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/06/2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Methods of charge cooling was Water/Meth injection

Ben,
Jack Morrison, at Aurora Airport is running methanol-water injection in a supercharged IO-540 in an E-racer. It lowered his cylinder head and EGT temperatures.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Methods of charge cooling was Water/Meth injection

Ben, here is a URL that gives a number of different ways to cool the intake charge.  You may find it interesting
 
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Water/Meth injection

I have moved away from the Rotary (shame on me) and toward the Subaru. I have been researching how to get more torque and found the only way is with boost. The street Subaru guys are injecting water and methanol to avoid detonation under high boost--getting 450 hp from 2.5 liters. The methanol and water cool the charge while the methanol also increases the octane. This allows them to run 89 or 91 octane fuel under low boost w/o injection and have high octane-high boost with injection. The injection is set to start at a certain boost pressure or rpm level.
 
I am going to go this route in my aerobatic biplane so I can run on cheap fuel in econo cruise and still not detonate while doing full throttle aerobatics.
 
One of the side benefits of this injection is lower EGTs--as much as 400 degrees. Has anyone done any testing with water injection to lower EGTs?
 
Another benefit is much cleaner combustion chambers. That sounds useful to me, too.
 
 
 
Ben 


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