X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2572594 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:47:46 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([24.74.103.61]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20071208204709.KRQU19167.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:47:09 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c839db$41116820$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Hard starting - problem solved Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:45:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Its amazing how many times you discover that a "new" problem resulted from fixing an "old" problem. Glad to got it sorted out Steve. So it appears that our "global" malfunction checklist now needs to have added: Not only check to make certain there is a manifold hose connected to each EC2 manifold pressure sensor, but check that the tubes flow air. I imagine that just taking the EC2 end of each hose and gentle blowing into it (keeping the moisture out) or using a low pressure air from a hose would quickly establish whether you have a clear line between manifold and sensor. Is this the turbo mod that puts on a larger compressor wheel and then mills out the area around the turbine wheel to lower the boost?? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brooks" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Hard starting - problem solved >I had a very productive day at the airport today. The problem with hard > starting turned out to be two separate problems, but both were self > inflicted. > > Problem 1 - I pulled the spark plug wires from the rear rotor (all of > about > 6" long) to measure the resistance, suspecting an open wire. The first > one > measured the same as a new one (originally bought set of 8), and when I > tried to measure the second one, I couldn't get contact with the plug end. > The connector had been pushed all of the way to the rear of the boot. > > Obviously when I did my conditional inspection, I did this when putting > the > plug wire back in after checking the compression. The spark plug wire, if > touching the plug at all, would have been barely making contact. I > suspect > that it was probably jumping the gap. When cranking, it probably wouldn't > have jumped much of a gap, but when running, and charging, it probably was > doing better. I couldn't get the boot to slide back into place, so I just > replaced it with a new one. > > The plane started right up, and ran just as it always had. That is until > I > switched to controller "B" > > Problem 2 - When I switched to controller B, the engine ran terrible. It > didn't die, but I think that it would have if I left it there a while. > While I was troubleshooting the hard starting, I decided to fix a coolant > leak that I have had for a while on the intake manifold. With the colder > weather, the leak was more than the usual little puddle on top of the > intake > manifold that I saw there on occasion. I had bought a new intake gasket > with the intention of replacing it, but just hadn't gotten to it. When I > replaced it, I also decided to put a film of Ultra Gray silicone, on each > side, just to make sure that it sealed. Well, what it sealed really well > was the vacuum port that I was using for a MAP input to the controller. > In > trouble shooting, I had reversed the two MAP lines on the controller, so > originally, it was on controller A, but now it was on B. It wasn't until > the engine was running normally on A, that it became noticeable. Before > it > ran lousy on both controllers. > > After running it some more, I noticed that I still did have a slight > coolant > leak, which I think was on the coolant connection of the turbo. On the > back > side of course. Since I was suppose to ship the turbo off two weeks ago, > to > have the hybrid upgrade done to it, I decided to go ahead and pull the > turbo. Especially since the weather was warm today. > > While the turbo is at the shop, I'm going to pressurize the cooling > system, > just to make sure that I don't have any other leaks. That way once the > turbo comes back (3-4 weeks) I'll be all set to go. > > Thanks for all of the suggestions. > > Steve Brooks > Cozy MKIV > 13B Turbo > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >