Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40243
From: <WRJJRS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Total,duct, Ambient or Velocity????
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:23:41 EST
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
George,
The Thorpe 18 used side exits, and it cooled quite well. Several aircraft have used this system with success. The merge area is fairly high pressure though and you create some drag. Not the end of the world or anything but significant. The finning of most radiators causes plenty of turbulence. The ideal ducting has just enough pressure drop across the radiator to ensure good mass flow. The heated air should help to accelerate the flow to "buy back" some of the cooling drag. It was said the last P-51 ducting actually added thrust, but the info I've read from North American said that zero was the best you could hope for. Still if you think about it a net zero or very small cooling drag to cool 1200 HP is a pretty big achievement in itself! This was a plane designed for water cooling from the outset and the results speak for themselves. Getting back to the chin scoop George, the location does provide high pressure but at the penalty of MUCH higher drag. The prototype P-40 had an under-fuselage radiator. Not the same as the 51 but still much better than the gapping mouth that was forced upon them by the AAC! In the info I read the production plane was 10 knots slower! Several of the German designs used the shark mouth chin inlet and they were the slowest. (Stuka anyone?) Later wing mounted radiators like the 109 were much better. The Spitfire used an almost identical radiator location. If the RV's didn't have the tanks there an in wing system would be a good option too. FWIW
Bill Jepson
 
In a message dated 11/8/2007 1:56:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, lendich@optusnet.com.au writes:
Ed and Bill,
I was just thinking about the vertical side rads ducted to the outside. I have seen this work very well in smaller planes with smaller engines, but am unsure how that might translate to larger installations. I think they work so well because being so close to the air stream being on the side walls of the cowl, that the slip stream actually creates a suction, or low pressure area (over the airfoil shaped outlet bump), which enhances the flow through the rads. This could be something lacking in some installations.
I did ask PL some time ago if the chin scoop was in a high pressure area, which I think it is, which might make it less effective compared to side outlets.
That's not discounting Ed's comments on inlet pressure, but it may enhance pressure drop across the core, if we can target low pressure areas for exits.
George (down under)  
 




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