X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2458277 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:36:54 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.2; envelope-from=BMears9413@aol.com Received: from BMears9413@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.d34.1959bfc2 (37540) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-dd17 (webmail-dd17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.17]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-92a4473089e92e9; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:36:09 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Carlos' theory on Nitros Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:36:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bmears9413@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9EEA1E379C4B0_10B4_13CF_webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD Received: from 65.182.71.8 by webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EEA1E379C4B0-10B4-9DC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.17 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8C9EEA1E379C4B0_10B4_13CF_webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would bet it was just a bottle explosion. doesnt look like there was any f= ire. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Welter To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 9:11 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Carlos' theory on Nitros =C2=A0=C2=A0 I have been flying for 1400 with nitrous and its the only way I= can get the coot out of the water, I use it for about a 5 second burst to g= et it up on the step and may give a longer burst if I need to get out of rou= gh water or out a tight spot, also use it to get a heavy load out of a short= runway. =C2=A0 Good explanation on wet and dry, I use the wet system made by NOS. =C2=A0 Yes Bruce used it for the time to climb and also Pushy Galore used it= to set a altitude record of 32,000 ft with a 0-200, they used 10 lbs at a r= ate of 1 lb per minute, actually made it to 34.000 ft but when the nitrous r= an out the plane stalled and he dropped to 32,00 ft to hold level flight to=20= set the record. =C2=A0As for that blown up trunk there is no way that nitrous did it alone a= s its just an oxidizer and is no more dangerous than the oxygen bottle next=20= to you for breathing, I suspect he may have had a leaky gas can in that trun= k with it on a hot day and the blow off disk blew off and mixed with the gas= to cause the explosion. =C2=A0 Ken =C2=A0 The principle difference between dry and wet Nitrous injection is that with=20= the "wet" kind you injected additional fuel along with the nitrous input int= o the air intake.=C2=A0So the manifold is "wet" with fuel.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0With "dry" concept, you pour the nitrous oxide through the normal air int= ake and increased the fuel through the normal fuel injectors by extending in= jector PW during the Nox injection or turning on additional injectors.=C2= =A0 Since with this approach the intake does not have fuel squirted (except=20= through the normal injector ports) the manifold remains "dry. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Variations abound but this is the basic conceptual difference between=20= the two.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Some claim you need a mass flow sensor to do the "Dry"=20= approach, but that is not really correct, you just need some means of sensin= g the onset of Nox flow and increasing the fuel flow to match.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I was interested, but after seeing what nitrous oxide can do (see photo of a= uto that had=C2=A0a bottle in its trunk), I lost interest {:>) =C2=A0 Ed =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Crook To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Carlos' theory on Nitros About the only thing I would consider it for is for a quick boost on an amph= ib to get off the water or challenging Bruce Bohannon to a climb contest. =C2=A0 Carlos was explaining the difference between wet & dry=C2=A0nitrous injectio= n which I still don't feel like I understand well enough to explain myself. =C2=A0 I was trying to explain an idea I had for using the EC2 to deliver the extra= fuel required (via the EFI injectors)=C2=A0when injecting NOX instead of us= ing a separate gasoline injection port.=C2=A0 Not sure I explained it well e= nough for Carlos.=C2=A0 It might not even be a good idea.=C2=A0 Goofs on=C2= =A0laughing gas=C2=A0tend to be expensive. =C2=A0 Tracy =C2=A0 On 11/5/07, Bob Tilley wrote: Tracy, I walked up on a conversation between you and Carlos. Ya'll were discussing Nitros in our applications. Can you give us a synopsis of the conversation. I picked up just enough to tell he was not for it. Please explain!!! Bob -- Homepage:=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrot= ary/List.html Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:explosionPic1[1].jpg (JPEG/=C2=ABIC=C2= =BB) (0011978E) -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrot= ary/List.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9EEA1E379C4B0_10B4_13CF_webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" I would bet it was just a bottle explosion. doesnt look like there was any f= ire.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Welter <rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 9:11 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Carlos' theory on Nitros