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From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] motor decisions part 2...Mistral v Propelled v .....
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:48:36 -0400
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 One thing to keep in mind, Chris.  Propelled is a very small business being 
funded by the owner (a great guy) whereas it is very clear that Mistral (a 
great bunch of guys)  has very deep pocket support to keep that team 
together for this many years (not to mention the investment in castings, 
design and testing, etc).  Here is a report from a US RV flier who actually 
visited Mistral.  Note the impression from the offices that this is not a 
"garage based" enterprise {:>)

http://69.89.31.136/~cogginso/rv8/article.php?story=20060202202829108

Having spent some years in the Research and Development arena, I would be 
willing to bet you several beers that the $32K price tag by Mistral is an 
arbitrary set price (for marketing) and bears little resemblance to their 
true cost.  In addition, they are aiming for certification as you mentioned, 
so their potential market (if successful) is the thousands with $$ in the 
multimillion dollar range whereas Propelled as a much more modest market. 
So they (Mistral)  are probably willing to sell lower than cost (initially) 
just to break into the market. Propelled on the other hand has to recover 
cost (and make some profit) on each and every sale.

 This is, of course, just my perspective and could be totally incorrect.

But,  one team has to recover cost immediately and the other clearly has the 
wherewithal to take a very long view point to cost recovery.

I think both are offering some great products, but clearly two different 
approaches and markets.

FWIW

Ed

Ed Anderson
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Matthews, NC
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Barber" <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] motor decisions part 2...Mistral v Propelled v .....


>I have been curious about this for a while.  IF some money fell out of the
> sky thus not a major factor, which rotary would you choose and why?  The
> Mistral, the Propelled.....or continue to roll your own, OR, heavens 
> forbid,
> a LYC (yikes).  Also, does Powersport still exist?
>
> I find it curious that the Propelled engine, which is a collection of 
> mostly
> off the shelf parts is only a few thousand dollars less than the Mistral
> which is attempting to be certified.  IIRC the Propelled is about $27,500
> while the Mistral is around $32,000.  Not that much of a difference in the
> big picture.  Also the Mistral is new while, I believe, the Propelled uses 
> a
> rebuilt 2nd gen core.  The Mistral also has a reduction unit designed for 
> a
> controllable prop.
>
> I have the Mistral intake and it is very nice.  I don't know about
> Propelled's work, but I am confidant it is nicely done.  Has actual
> availability been an issue with the companies???
>
> I was surprised by Propelled pricing.  To charge almost as much as a new
> certified aircraft engine (i.e. Lyc) does not seem to be a good business
> model.  I realize you must make money, but it would seem the high teens
> would still allow a profit (from my non accountant math...based on what I
> have built my engine on) while establishing the engine as a viable
> choice...while the high twenties seems to shoot the idea in the foot.
>
> Both/all seem to be focusing on the tractor type plane, so both would be
> more of a challenge for my pusher.
>
> Input/insight is appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> All the best,
>
> Chris
>
> Christopher Barber
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