X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2353478 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:36:07 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.51; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.214.146.155] (host-209-214-146-155.jan.bellsouth.net[209.214.146.155]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc01) with ESMTP id <20070926193528H01002905ge>; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:35:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.214.146.155] Message-ID: <46FAB482.3050703@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:35:30 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Crabs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Lendich wrote: > Ed and Bill, > > Just some ponderings as I progress along my way of understanding > different carb developments. > > I notice with a slide carb ( round on round opening) you get > more of a straight line function of air to fuel ratio as it > progressively opens. > With a flat slide on round opening you get 'diminishing returns' > ( my term) as you get past half way. > > I notice that some carbs have eggs shaped openings, I guess > that's to even out the percentage of fuel/air mix to percentage > of opening and to compensate for the enrichening at higher RPM > i.e. more air to fuel at higher rpm at the fatter end (top). > > I was wondering what was wrong with a square carb - not > completely square mind you, but with some roundness to corners > say 1/2 diameter. > Wouldn't this provide for a more linier opening to fuel/ air > ratio mix OR does this pose other problems such as air flow and > drag/ turbulence? > > George (down under) > > Typing your subject line a bit fast there George? > Actually Ford tried a completely square opening just prior to going > to FI. The attempt was to make the carb throat into a supersonic > nozzle. It had a square, or rather a rectangular opening with a > specially shaped ramp on one side that moved. It was electronically > controlled. That was suposed to be it's weak point the electronics > would faill and the nozzle wouldn't work. Then it was just a crappy > wierd looking carb! Hard to beat the two circles system. Many have > tried and many have failed. If your making a new carb, just go round > and save yourself some trouble. You need the linear change in > opening to keep everything working properly. You can do it other > ways, (the Predator carb uses two barn door type flaps that open > into the throat, leaving a square opening), but EXPECT to have a > BUNCH of development time in it to get it to work. > Bill Jepson > > > Bill, > Thanks Bud - I'm hearing you. I won't attempt the degree of > complexity you are mentioning - but it's all very interesting! > > I thought about an electrically controlled needle that moved up and > down that was governed by an O2 sensor reading, but it would require > very fine adjustments, probably a small servo motor - beyond my > capacity. Until I win Lotto that is! > > Marvelous how the mind probes the different concepts. As soon as I > sent the last e-mail I realised a completely square carb would have > too much opening at the lower end - hence the egg shape that has > been used. > > I'm now thing half round at the bottom ( to centre) and then square > sides at the top half. > It's worth looking at - but blending the shapes i.e. carb to round > inlet tube might be a neat trick. > George ( down under) I wouldn't pretend to be a fluid dynamicist (see, I can't even spell it) but there is a good reason to use round. Round has the least surface-to-area (volume) ratio. Lower drag on the air. Charlie