X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2335558 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:37:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.5; envelope-from=BMears9413@aol.com Received: from BMears9413@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id q.c33.168e9b27 (37169) for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-M36 (fwm-m36.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.238]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-913146ee90e870; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:36:24 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:36:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bmears9413@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9C74F4239926F_FE4_18FB_FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 65.182.71.8 by FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:36:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C74F4239926F-FE4-C30@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.238 X-Spam-Flag: YES ----------MB_8C9C74F4239926F_FE4_18FB_FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to know how you figured it out? thats a tough find. Bob Mears -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:23 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Dennis, Nope, part of the conversion was to install the stock Renesis timing gear.? The problem has been fixed and the Renesis gear is still there.? Just in case you're wondering, the timing gear wasn't installed backwards nor was it clocked incorrectly. ? Mark On 9/15/07, Dennis Haverlah wrote: Mark, ?Was the frequency of the teeth going by the wheel too high for the CAS? Dennis H. Mark Steitle wrote: Bob, While good things to check, neither of these were the cause of my problem.? At Tracy's suggestion, I changed the air gap on the CAS to no avail.? Mark On 9/15/07, bmears9413@aol.com wrote: I haven't cheated and looked at the manual.....since your gonna tell us anyway...eventually...but problems I've had before in race cars...plug wires running parallel to each other, and too large of air gap in the pickup in the distributor.?? Close??? Bob Mears Supermarine Spitfire -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:53 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Ed, You are getting closer when you stated that it must be erratic ignition.? (I wish I had someone to give me hints).? Yes, the ignition timing was too far advanced, but retarding the timing didn't correct the problem.? The coils are LS1 units, 6 ea, so?any individual coil isn't?firing any more often than on a 2-rotor.? So, what's causing the erratic ingition?? That's the question. ? Mark ? On 9/15/07, Ed Anderson wrote: Hey, No Fair!?Mark.? ?Most of us do not have a Renesis shop manual.? But, lets see the old CS had three wires, the new one has two wires - I get it - there is a wire missing {:>). ? ? So it sounds like the problem?was ?indeed ignition - well, its almost always either fuel or spark causing a problem.? So if fuel is more or less ruled out it defaults to ignition.? It probably wouldn't be a rev limiter as they simply cut out above a certain rpm.? So either your ignition timing somehow was off at higher rpm (too much advance?)? or else your ignition was erratic in its firing (such as exceeding the capability of the coils to recharge between firings - unlikely in this case). ? But, without a shop manual to give me more insight, I must say I'm out of ideas. ? Ed ? ? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys ? Now Rusty!!!? That's too obvious.? ;-) ? OK, another hint... I got a hint of what might be causing my problem from the ignition section of?the Renesis shop manual.? ? Mark ? On 9/14/07, Russell Duffy wrote: OK, I'll give you a hint... it was related to?my decision to change over?from the original CAS to the Renesis CAS.? I got that bright idea from last year's rotary get together at Tracy's.?? ? ? I've got it.? YOU were the problem :-)? ? Rusty Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9C74F4239926F_FE4_18FB_FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I would like to know how you figured it out? thats a tough find.
 
Bob Mears


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:23 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

Dennis,

Nope, part of the conversion was to install the stock Renesis timing gear.  The problem has been fixed and the Renesis gear is still there.  Just in case you're wondering, the timing gear wasn't installed backwards nor was it clocked incorrectly.  

Mark

On 9/15/07, Dennis Haverlah <clouduster@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Mark,
 Was the frequency of the teeth going by the wheel too high for the CAS?

Dennis H.

Mark Steitle wrote:
Bob,

While good things to check, neither of these were the cause of my problem.  At Tracy's suggestion, I changed the air gap on the CAS to no avail. 

Mark

On 9/15/07, bmears9413@aol.com <bmears9413@aol.com> wrote:
I haven't cheated and looked at the manual.....since your gonna tell us anyway...eventually...but problems I've had before in race cars...plug wires running parallel to each other, and too large of air gap in the pickup in the distributor.   Close???

Bob Mears
Supermarine Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:53 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

Ed,
You are getting closer when you stated that it must be erratic ignition.  (I wish I had someone to give me hints).  Yes, the ignition timing was too far advanced, but retarding the timing didn't correct the problem.  The coils are LS1 units, 6 ea, so any individual coil isn't firing any more often than on a 2-rotor.  So, what's causing the erratic ingition?  That's the question.
 
Mark

 
On 9/15/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com > wrote:
Hey, No Fair! Mark.   Most of us do not have a Renesis shop manual.  But, lets see the old CS had three wires, the new one has two wires - I get it - there is a wire missing {:>).
 
  So it sounds like the problem was  indeed ignition - well, its almost always either fuel or spark causing a problem.  So if fuel is more or less ruled out it defaults to ignition.  It probably wouldn't be a rev limiter as they simply cut out above a certain rpm.  So either your ignition timing somehow was off at higher rpm (too much advance?)  or else your ignition was erratic in its firing (such as exceeding the capability of the coils to recharge between firings - unlikely in this case).
 
But, without a shop manual to give me more insight, I must say I'm out of ideas.
 
Ed
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

 
Now Rusty!!!  That's too obvious.  ;-)
 
OK, another hint... I got a hint of what might be causing my problem from the ignition section of the Renesis shop manual. 
 
Mark

 
On 9/14/07, Russell Duffy <rusty@radrotary.com > wrote:
OK, I'll give you a hint... it was related to my decision to change over from the original CAS to the Renesis CAS.  I got that bright idea from last year's rotary get together at Tracy's.    
 
I've got it.  YOU were the problem :-) 
 
Rusty


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