X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.87] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 2334474 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:11:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.199.87; envelope-from=deltaflyer@prodigy.net Received: (qmail 38227 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2007 22:11:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3R+iLQv+LKvk/J2EpBOAvY6SMwNpAPdtRwdVIWqRK/8uk52tDa4v7SBVsPUdSdXMx1I0PFDbfRWFrEy/8Ry5SAWU4lcpvcN+QvEsasdPge81ofPt6+/NPM6epcHJ718sZWhSH+5SZhfPwMlx22UhULzmHZI4w98jKKEXFXSiA5M=; X-YMail-OSG: WcGwXYAVM1lEHp9MEB_VLFnqhjbOvYBBLlTVpf9MHAL2AVzeblBqABPl6ex4RhJskcGCZw-- Received: from [12.76.130.234] by web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:11:07 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: James Maher Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-697258083-1189980667=:37947" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <407842.37947.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-697258083-1189980667=:37947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve, Thanks for the reply. I'm am sure that Vinyl ester will hold up to Avgas as intended with the Glasair but I am looking for anyone who has experience with it and modern-day Mogas with ethanol. Are Glasair parts made with vacuum bag and autoclave technology? My epoxy tank held up well for almost 5 years to Mogas with MTBE but soon after ethanol was added it began to deteriorate. In all the searching on the web I have not found anything that says conclusively that Vinyl-ester is impervious to E10 (Gasoline with 10% ethanol). I'd like to find someone who can say that they have been running this fuel for a year or more without any adverse effects on their fiberglass fuel tanks. There are many using Mogas (RV's) but most have aluminum tanks. Also, many regions in the country do not ad ethanol to the Mogas. There are many fiberglass aircraft but most use Avgas. I need to find the small minority who have both fiberglass fuel tanks and use Mogas with ethanol. I figure if those folks are out there, they will be on this list. Hope to hear from them. Jim Steve Thomas wrote: I'm not flying yet, but the resin system used in my aircraft is impervious to ethanol. I'm building a Glasair, and the resin system is a Dow 411-45 vinyl-ester resin system. The vinyl-esters were originally designed for making fiberglass underground gas tanks. All Glasairs have a integral gas tank in the forward part of the wing. However, be cautious about using any vinyl-ester or polyester resin system over epoxy. It won't stick. Best Regards, Steve ____________________________________________________________________ On Sep 16, 2007, at 12:41 PM, James Maher wrote: Is there anyone in this group who is running Mogas with ethanol exclusively and also has fiberglass fuel tank(s)? If anyone fits this profile and their tanks are holding up and not leaking or softening please respond with what type of resin system was used. I used the Aeropoxy brand epoxy and this did not hold up. I am looking for an alternative. Thanks, Jim --0-697258083-1189980667=:37947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Steve,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm am sure that Vinyl ester will hold up to Avgas as intended with the Glasair
but I am looking for anyone who has experience with it and modern-day Mogas
with ethanol.
Are Glasair parts made with vacuum bag and autoclave technology?
My epoxy tank held up well for almost 5 years to Mogas with MTBE but soon after
ethanol was added it began to deteriorate.
In all the searching on the web I have not found anything that says conclusively that
Vinyl-ester is impervious to E10 (Gasoline with 10% ethanol).
I'd like to find someone who can say that they have been running this fuel for a year or more without any adverse effects on their fiberglass fuel tanks.
There are many using Mogas (RV's) but most have aluminum tanks.
Also, many regions in the country do not ad ethanol to the Mogas.
There are many fiberglass aircraft but most use Avgas.
I need to find the small minority who have both fiberglass fuel tanks and use Mogas with ethanol.
I figure if those folks are out there, they will be on this list.
Hope to hear from them.
Jim

Steve Thomas <steve@stevet.net> wrote:
I'm not flying yet, but the resin system used in my aircraft is impervious to ethanol.  I'm building a Glasair, and the resin system is a Dow 411-45 vinyl-ester resin system.  The vinyl-esters were originally designed for making fiberglass underground gas tanks.  All Glasairs have a integral gas tank in the forward part of the wing.  

However, be cautious about using any vinyl-ester or polyester resin system over epoxy.  It won't stick.

Best Regards,

Steve 
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On Sep 16, 2007, at 12:41 PM, James Maher wrote:

Is there anyone in this group who is running Mogas with ethanol exclusively and also has
fiberglass fuel tank(s)?
If anyone fits this profile and their tanks are holding up and not leaking or softening please respond with what type of resin system was used.
I used the Aeropoxy brand epoxy and this did not hold up.
I am looking for an alternative.
Thanks,
Jim


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