X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2181158 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:17:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.184.230; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i3so631238wra for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TZBVsYjsNILFzfkEmUN2XM9fB7+L6SfPJX+EYD0mt8JiQlQpxIiLvASFA/iWQCB7O1YXZ8EH8wqBJzjrYXth0RUzDMHlo75bPaFPuG3+4Els7oBVUWLYwdVBiZBXsQJV1h/zrOcVbUGFmRJDkLQugglHksUkiP5qBRMTLdwzpe8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OQsAe8mx++MctCy94YNdB2exu4N+oj7nIm0Es57QGKwD6PRBMBGXCfUD/V2dYL2dUVdMdCxkwvDu2oznH6gd1wEBr49BQQtw2k7k4727FFcWOBfmnwyzeqeyAapIhNE+p2wbfNrC7rJSaD9sm7nvdFyDJp4pCNHQ3x3VJf8qEjQ= Received: by 10.90.97.11 with SMTP id u11mr3735211agb.1184617015204; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.6 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0707161316t7b378767kcca5aa210dc8b756@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:16:55 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Contrasting view point was [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25374_32396127.1184617015167" References: ------=_Part_25374_32396127.1184617015167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, now we just need to convince Patrick. ;-) (that's the rotary grin) Mark On 7/16/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > Now, that is a nice idea, Mark. Showing a preference without poking > a stick in eye (Hey! we only have two if we put our heads together ) the > other folks {:>) > > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark Steitle > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2007 2:09 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Contrasting view point was [FlyRotary] Re: > AirVenture Souviner > > > We could always wear the hat with the "I love flying my rotary" button > stuck over the piston. ;-) > > Also, if you bought a RWS T-shirt, you could wear the hat, but emphasize > your preferance to the rotary by the message on the shirt. > > Mark > (should be eligible for a pin very soon) > > > On 7/16/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ehkerr@aol.com > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2007 12:20 PM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Contrasting view point was [FlyRotary] Re: > > AirVenture Souviner > > > > > > In a message dated 7/16/2007 11:21:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: > > > > Hummm, while I am a cast-in-stone rotary type, I really don't see any > > point in throwing stones at those alternate engine types who prefer > > pistons. Many smaller airframes simply couldn't use a rotary even if they > > wanted to. > > > > My view is that us "Alternative Engine" types all face the same > > "hostile" outside world and need to stick together. Certainly we can (and > > will) debate the relative merits of each choice, but I certainly feel that > > somebody that successfully puts a covair,Subaru, V-6, etc, in an project > > and safely gets airborne is a kindred soul. > > > > Now, if the logo has something like an "X" across a symbol for a > > certified, expensive and all to prone to cost $$, aircraft engine, - that > > - I might could sign on for {:>). But, since I won't be going to Oshkosh, I > > guess I don't have to be concerned about it. > > > > Just my viewpoint on the topic FWIW > > > > Ed > > > > Hi Ed, et al, > > As aviators I agree we are kindred souls. But, believing as I do that > > the rotary engine is so far superior to piston engines I could not endorse a > > message that promotes both pistons and rotaries. I understand Pat only > > wishes to promote automotive conversions but, for some rotary enthusiasts, > > the hat design can be an uncomfortable compromise. > > Ernie > > > > > > Ernie, While I certainly agree (surprise!) with your opinion about > > rotary engines having some unbeatable qualities and characteristics, there > > is unfortunately not a series of rotary engines that meets every need. I > > personally believe that for some applications, the smaller Corvair and > > Subaru engines (for example) are about the best viable alternative engines > > at the moment. But, that said, it is certainly up to each individual to > > show their "passion" as they see fit. The next thing we will likely see are > > hats with an "X" across a rotary - I just personally do not see what either > > approach will do for the alternate engine community. > > > > Again, just my personal viewpoint and to each their own {:>) > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com > > . > > > > > ------=_Part_25374_32396127.1184617015167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks, now we just need to convince Patrick.  ;-) (that's the rotary grin)
 
Mark

 
On 7/16/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
 Now, that is a nice idea, Mark.   Showing a preference without poking a stick in eye (Hey! we only have two if we put our heads together )   the other folks {:>)
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Contrasting view point was [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner

 
We could always wear the hat with the "I love flying my rotary" button stuck over the piston.  ;-)
 
Also, if you bought a RWS T-shirt, you could wear the hat, but emphasize your preferance to the rotary by the message on the shirt. 
 
Mark
(should be eligible for a pin very soon)

 
On 7/16/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com > wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Contrasting view point was [FlyRotary] Re: AirVenture Souviner

 
In a message dated 7/16/2007 11:21:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
Hummm, while I am a cast-in-stone rotary type, I really don't see any point in throwing stones at those alternate engine types who prefer pistons.  Many smaller airframes simply couldn't use a rotary even if they wanted to.
 
My  view is that us "Alternative Engine" types all face the same "hostile" outside world and need to stick together.  Certainly we can (and will) debate the relative merits of each choice, but I certainly feel that somebody that successfully puts a covair,Subaru, V-6, etc,  in an project and safely gets airborne is a kindred soul.
 
Now, if the logo has something like an "X"   across a symbol for a certified, expensive and all to prone to cost $$, aircraft engine, - that - I might could sign on for {:>).  But, since I won't be going to Oshkosh, I guess I don't have to be concerned about it. 
 
Just my viewpoint on the topic FWIW
 
Ed
Hi Ed, et al,
As aviators I agree we are kindred souls. But, believing as I do that the rotary engine is so far superior to piston engines I could not endorse a message that promotes both pistons and rotaries. I understand Pat only wishes to promote automotive conversions but, for some rotary enthusiasts, the hat design can be an uncomfortable compromise.
Ernie


Ernie, While I certainly agree (surprise!) with your opinion about rotary engines having some unbeatable qualities and characteristics, there is unfortunately not a series of rotary engines that meets every need.   I personally believe that for some applications, the smaller Corvair and Subaru engines (for example)  are about the best  viable alternative engines at the moment.  But, that said, it is certainly up to each individual to show their "passion" as they see fit.  The next thing we will likely see are hats with an "X" across a rotary - I just personally do not see what either approach will do for the alternate engine community. 
 
Again, just my personal viewpoint and to each their own {:>)
 
 
Ed

 
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