X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2039660 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:02:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.68; envelope-from=rusty@radrotary.com Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([65.6.194.9]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070512130131.RBKK2625.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:01:31 -0400 Received: from rd ([65.6.194.9]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070512130130.SNAG19842.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@rd> for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:01:30 -0400 From: "Russell Duffy" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Operating limitations question- not rotary related Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:01:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00a801c79495$a8d41de0$6e01a8c0@rd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7946B.BFFE15E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceUXsz4/oqiM2PWQ42eUn40BnU4BgANQarQ In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7946B.BFFE15E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Item 17 is not about turbojets.. Its about category and class. =20 Hi David, =20 I'll paste the entire post that the DAR made on the gyro forum. As you = can see, DARs are issued documentation with notes to guide them in issuing = the operating limits. According to the FAA notes, item 17 doesn't apply to = us at all. I wouldn't have a problem with seeing both items listed, as = long as the notes are included to clarify things. =20 So far, Bob White is the only one who's replied off list, and he only = has item 18, which is as it should be. =20 =20 Unfortunately, as is usually the case, the actual requirements are not decided by the FAA, but instead by the insurance company. I realized = after I sent the original post that I'm required to have a (category class) = gyro rating of some kind in order to get liability insurance. Since my = hanger lease requires it, then the insurance folks seem to be in charge. =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty (I need my own airstrip) =20 =20 I see where the confusion came in. This is unchanged as long as I can remember. The bold "notes" are not part of the OPS limits and are there = for ASI & DAR guidance.=20 (17) The pilot in command of this aircraft must hold an appropriate category/class rating. If required, the pilot in command also must hold = a type rating in accordance with part 61, or a letter of authorization = issued by an FAA Flight Standards Operations Inspector. NOTE: This limitation applies to any turbojet/turbofan-powered aircraft, any aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight exceeding 12,500 pounds, and any other aircraft when deemed necessary. The Flight Standards = inspectors should refer to FAA Order 8700.1, General Aviation Inspector=92s = Handbook, for further guidance. (18) The pilot in command of this aircraft must hold a pilot certificate = or an authorized instructor=92s logbook endorsement. The pilot in command = also must meet the requirements of =A7 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j), = as appropriate. NOTE: This operating limitation applies to most amateur-built aircraft = as a standard operating limitation (reference =A7 61.31(k)). ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7946B.BFFE15E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Item 17 is not about turbojets.. Its about category = and=20 class.

 
Hi=20 David,
 
I'll = paste the entire=20 post that the DAR made on the gyro forum.  As you can see, DARs are = issued=20 documentation with notes to guide them in issuing the operating = limits. =20 According to the FAA notes, item 17 doesn't apply to us at all.  I = wouldn't=20 have a problem with seeing both items listed, as long as the notes are = included=20 to clarify things.
 
So far, = Bob White is the=20 only one who's replied off list, and he only has item 18, which is as it = should=20 be. 
 
Unfortunately, as is=20 usually the case, the actual requirements are not decided by the FAA, = but=20 instead by the insurance company.  I realized after I sent the = original=20 post that I'm required to have a (category class) gyro rating of some = kind in=20 order to get liability insurance.  Since my hanger lease requires = it, then=20 the insurance folks seem to be in charge. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty (I = need my own=20 airstrip)
 
 
I see where the confusion came in. = This is=20 unchanged as long as I can remember. The bold "notes" are not part of = the OPS=20 limits and are there for ASI & DAR guidance.

(17) = The pilot=20 in command of this aircraft must hold an appropriate category/class = rating. If=20 required, the pilot in command also must hold a type rating in = accordance with=20 part 61, or a letter of authorization issued by an FAA Flight Standards=20 Operations Inspector.

NOTE: This limitation applies to any=20 turbojet/turbofan-powered aircraft,
any aircraft with a maximum = takeoff=20 weight exceeding 12,500 pounds, and
any other aircraft when deemed = necessary.=20 The Flight Standards inspectors
should refer to FAA Order 8700.1, = General=20 Aviation Inspector’s Handbook,
for further = guidance.

(18) The=20 pilot in command of this aircraft must hold a pilot certificate or an = authorized=20 instructor’s logbook endorsement. The pilot in command also must = meet the=20 requirements of =A7 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j), as=20 appropriate.

NOTE: This operating limitation applies to most=20 amateur-built aircraft as a
standard operating limitation (reference = =A7=20 61.31(k)).



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