X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2031064 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 07 May 2007 19:08:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-103-061.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.103.61]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l47MBpvm000895 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c790f4$eafa2330$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:13:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C790D3.6386B420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C790D3.6386B420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Bill That's what this list is all about - sharing the good, the bad and the = ugly. Hopeful, such discussion (regardless of outcome) aids others to = develop a fuller understanding of some of the complexities involved. =20 Yes, I am looking forward to somebody who is able to cram a full up = streamline duct into his installation. That should give them best duct = airflow, pressure recovery and cooling. You may be the first! Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct Ed, It does really sound like you have a good handle on things. Truly = for best efficiency you want to run a bit hotter. Most of the cars now = use 180=C2=B0F thermostat and many 190=C2=B0! They are after mileage for = the CAFE requirements though. Lynn has mentioned several times that the = best power range is around 170 for the rotary and that sounds about = right. The interesting part is that as you inprove your cooling your max = power changes, usually towards more, thank goodness. I intend to have my = radiators in a "cheek" position so I can run a longer wedge duct to = them. Time will tell if this is any better than the evap cores. At least = on the rotary you don't have as much stuff blocking the exit. We would = all do well to consider that factor when designing our setups. I would really like to thank you Ed for your efforts to help all of = us who come later to the party. Your chronicles of both the good and the = bad will save many people from peril, THANKS AGAIN. Fly safe and often! Bill Jepson =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct Hi Bill, =20 My cooling system now seems well (if not optimized) matched to my = current installation. Full power take offs on hot days see my cooling = temps elevate to 200F for oil and 210-220F for coolant. Once I hit 120 = MPH IAS the cooling system catches up and starts to eliminate the = cooling deficit. =20 At my normal retired-man cruise of 7- 8 gph, my coolant and oil range = from 155-170F depending on OAT. When I push it to my max fuel = flow/power 10.5-12.5 gph at altitude the temperatures of both increase = until they are in the 190-195F range. This gives me my maximum true = airspeed. So it appears my cooling capacity is about right where I = need it. Certainly a surplus at low power cruise, but just adequate on = take/off climbout on hot days and adequate for full boogie flight. I really don't know how much drag (if any) I have eliminated, but I am = convinced that it is less than if I had more of the core exposed to high = velocity airflow. =20 Sorry, I can't be more definitive about it - I would like to know as = well, but only so much time to get all the wonderful projects on my list = done. Perhaps someone with the inclination and time will someday put = this idea in a wind tunnel and tell us {:>) Ed =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free = from AOL at AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C790D3.6386B420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Thanks, Bill
 
That's what this list is all about - = sharing the=20 good, the bad and the ugly.  Hopeful, such discussion (regardless = of=20 outcome) aids others to develop a fuller understanding of some of the=20 complexities involved. 
 
Yes, I am looking forward to somebody = who is able=20 to cram a full up streamline duct into his installation.  That = should give=20 them best duct airflow, pressure recovery and cooling.  You may be = the=20 first!
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:47 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Pinched=20 Duct

Ed, It=20 does really sound like you have a good handle on things. Truly for = best=20 efficiency you want to run a bit hotter. Most of the cars now use = 180=C2=B0F=20 thermostat and many 190=C2=B0! They are after mileage for the CAFE = requirements=20 though. Lynn has mentioned several times that the best power range is = around=20 170 for the rotary and that sounds about right. The interesting part = is that=20 as you inprove your cooling your max power changes, usually towards = more,=20 thank goodness. I intend to have my radiators in a "cheek" position so = I can=20 run a longer wedge duct to them. Time will tell if this is any better = than the=20 evap cores. At least on the rotary you don't have as much stuff = blocking the=20 exit. We would all do well to consider that factor when designing our=20 setups.
 I would really like to thank you Ed for your efforts to = help all=20 of us who come later to the party. Your chronicles of both the = good and=20 the bad will save many people from peril, THANKS AGAIN. Fly safe=20 and often!
Bill Jepson  
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 eanderson@carolina.rr.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: = Mon, 7=20 May 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct

Hi Bill,
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My cooling system now seems well (if = not=20 optimized) matched to my current installation.  Full power = take offs=20 on hot days see my cooling temps elevate to 200F for oil and 210-220F = for=20 coolant.  Once I hit 120 MPH IAS the cooling system catches up = and starts=20 to eliminate the cooling deficit. 
 
At my normal retired-man cruise of 7- = 8 gph, my=20 coolant and oil range from 155-170F depending on OAT.  When I = push it to=20 my max fuel flow/power 10.5-12.5 gph at  altitude  the=20 temperatures of both increase until they are in the 190-195F = range.  This=20 gives me my maximum true airspeed.  So it appears my cooling = capacity is=20 about  right where I need it.  Certainly a surplus at low = power=20 cruise, but just adequate on take/off climbout on hot days and = adequate for=20 full boogie flight.
 
I really don't know how much drag (if = any) I have=20 eliminated, but I am convinced that it is less than if I had more of = the core=20 exposed to high velocity airflow. 
 
Sorry, I can't be more definitive = about it - I=20 would like to know as well, but only so much time to get all the = wonderful=20 projects on my list done.  Perhaps someone with the inclination = and time=20 will someday put this idea in a wind tunnel and tell us = {:>)
 
Ed
 
 
 
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