Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao08.cox.net ([68.6.19.123] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2631130 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:37:49 -0400 Received: from Leonards ([68.111.228.182]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031010043745.XGFK8740.fed1mtao08.cox.net@Leonards> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:37:45 -0400 From: "David Leonard" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:37:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c38ee8$41bf2a70$b6e46f44@Leonards> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38EAD.95605270" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38EAD.95605270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then again, navy and marine pilots do no only their IFR but also basic training in a T-34 Charlie - which slightly outperforms a L-IV. Its all a matter pre-planning. David Leonard The Rotary Roster: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ted Noel Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:18 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P? OK guys, I got my IFR in a C-172. In reviewing the comments, I think that there is a middle ground. The L-IV is a bit fast for learning. You need to start slow, and get the fundamentals down. Then, once you have the procedures learned, you can go faster. To put it all together, I think that you should learn in a slow airplane. Then re-train in the fast glass. That way, you get the most possible benefit. You learn at an appropriate pace to your level of skill. Then you apply it to the plane you will use. Ted Noel ----- Original Message ----- From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com To: Lancair Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P? SNIP>>if possible, get the instrument training in the plane that you are going to fly. it only makes practical sense. I think that if you have a IV-P you should get your rating and experience in the IV-P. It just doesn't make any, non monetary, since to me why, if you fly a IV-P, you would want to get a rating and experience in anything else. I would definitely do the IFR training in the plane you are going to fly. I don't see the point on saving some money doing it in a spam can, which behaves nothing like the 4-P (the spammer is much more forgiving as I am sure that you You need to get used to the speeds and power settings of the plane you are flying.>> SNIP I had to roll up my pants legs after reading the latest posts. C'mon guys -- are you speaking from experience or just bullshittin' the crowd? How many of you got an instrument rating in anything bigger or faster than a C172 (military crowd excepted)? How many of you have actually taught instruments lately? Will the real CFI(I)'s please stand up? Learning to fly instruments is challenging enough for anyone. It probably the most difficult rating to get. In my limited experience as a Designated Pilot Examiner-- it is also the one with the highest failure rate. Learning to fly instruments is not going to be facilitated by doing the training in a LIVP. Could you do it? Probably-- but it ain't going to be pretty. Jeff Edwards CFI(I) DPE MEI ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C38EAD.95605270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Then again, navy and marine pilots = do no only their IFR but also basic training in a T-34 Charlie – which = slightly outperforms a L-IV.  Its all a matter = pre-planning.

 

David Leonard

The Rotary = Roster:

http://memb= ers.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ted Noel
Sent: Thursday, October = 09, 2003 6:18 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P?

 

OK guys, I got my IFR in a C-172. In reviewing the = comments, I think that there is a middle ground. The L-IV is a bit fast for = learning. You need to start slow, and get the fundamentals down. Then, once you have = the procedures learned, you can go faster.

 

To put it all together, I think that you should learn = in a slow airplane. Then re-train in the fast glass. That way, you get the = most possible benefit. You learn at an appropriate pace to your level of = skill. Then you apply it to the plane you will use.

 

Ted Noel

----- Original Message -----

Sent: = Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:25 PM

Subject: [LML] = Re: IFR training in a IV-P?

 

SNIP>>if possible, get the instrument training = in the plane that you are going to fly.  it only makes practical = sense.

 

I think that if you have a IV-P you should get your = rating and
experience in the IV-P. It just doesn't make any, non monetary, since =
to me why, if you fly a IV-P, you would want to get a rating and
experience in anything else.

 

 

I  would definitely do = the IFR training in the plane you are going to fly.  I
don't see the point on saving some money doing it in a spam can, which = behaves
nothing like the 4-P (the spammer is much more forgiving as I am sure = that you


You need to get used to the speeds and power settings of the plane you =
are flying.>> SNIP

I had to roll up my pants legs after reading the = latest posts. C'mon guys -- are you speaking from experience or just = bullshittin' the crowd? How many of you got an instrument rating in anything bigger = or faster than a C172 (military crowd excepted)? How many of you have actually taught instruments lately? Will the real CFI(I)'s please = stand up? Learning to fly instruments is challenging enough for anyone. It = probably the most difficult rating to get. In my limited experience as a = Designated Pilot Examiner-- it is also the one with the highest failure rate. = Learning to fly instruments is not going to be facilitated by doing the training in = a LIVP. Could you do it? Probably-- but it ain't going to be = pretty.

 

Jeff Edwards

CFI(I)

DPE

MEI

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