X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.229] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.0) with ESMTP id 1491102 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:07:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.229; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.90]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:07:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.129.3 by BAY115-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:07:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.129.3] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuse Ratings for Wiring?? Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:07:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C6F501.16962970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:07:24 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 15:07:36.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[A45A91D0:01C6F522] Return-Path: lors01@msn.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C6F501.16962970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can understand the confusion on this (logic wise) but the answer for = me are the real world causes of over-current conditions.=20 A fault in equipment can cause an over-current condition and still = leave the device completely or partially operational. A solder splash = or metal chip bouncing around can do it too. Any number of = unanticipated things in a wiring harness can cause an intermittent short = (wire chaffing etc.). We like to think our wiring skills would never = allow this to happen but these things *do* occur, especially when = builders are new to electrical wiring. On the ground it probably makes more sense to fuse or CB the circuit = closer to the actual load. It *might* prevent further damage to the = equipment. The game is completely different in the air. I want the = last second of operation out of every piece of gear on the plane when = I'm in the air. I'll worry about the cost of repairs later when I'm = safely on the ground. Others have already stated the right reason for protecting the wire: = Prevention of in-flight fire or smoke in the cockpit. That is the ONLY = reason I want any system on the plane to shut down. Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuse Ratings for Wiring?? Yes, Bill, that is what I understand as well. BUT, if you are fused = for the=20 equipment load, the wiring is automatically protected (in a proper = design).=20 In fact, by using a smaller rated fuse (designed just to protect the=20 equipment rather than the wiring) you are even better ensuring that = the=20 wiring won't carry a dangerous load and catch fire. So again, I can = see no=20 rational reason for fusing to protect the wire rather than a lower = rated=20 fuse/CB to protect the equipment (regardless of whether it actually = protects=20 the equipment). But, then I've never been accused of being the = brightest=20 turnip on the tomato truck. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bill Schertz" = > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuse Ratings for Wiring?? > Ed, > I think the objective is to keep from having a wire-induced fire = when you=20 > get a short to ground. If the insulation rubs and a short develops, = you=20 > want a fuse/breaker sized to pop before the wire melts and causes a = fire. > > If the equipment has an internal problem, the fuse/breaker isn't = going to=20 > help save it. > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser # 4045 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Ed Anderson" = > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:12 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuse Ratings for Wiring?? > > >> One thing I have never really understood regarding fuses (or CB = for=20 >> that matter) is - why you would use a fuse/CB with the rating set = to=20 >> protect the wire!!! If you have a system operating off a power = wire, it=20 >> is highly likely that the wire will flow much more current than the = >> system requires by quite a bit. So if you select a fuse or CB = rating=20 >> that protects the equipment then automatically it will protect the = wire. >> >> However, if you select the rating to protect the wire, the system = could=20 >> easily fry and the fuse or CB might never trigger. Just one of = those=20 >> things (wire size) that everybody uses as a guide for selecting the = >> ratings (Fuse/CB) and yet, it has never made sense to me (and still = does=20 >> not) {:>) >> >> I guess IF you put more system load that used more current than a = wire=20 >> was rated for then a fuse sized for the system would not protect = the wire=20 >> which could over heat. But, that is simply a bad wiring decision = in=20 >> selecting too small a wire in the first place. I guess the rational = is=20 >> better the system fry than the wire - but not certain I buy it. >> >> I don't really lose sleep over this one - but, I do wonder from = time to=20 >> time about things we come to accept {:>) >> >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Ed Anderson" = > >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:47 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector Switches !!! was Re: Powering = fuel=20 >> injectors >> >> >>> Welcome, Greg. >>> >>> Yes, there are arguments pro and con about fuses and CB - its = about the=20 >>> only thing I disagreed with Bob Nuckolls about {:>). Probably=20 >>> influenced by my years flying military aircraft - where CB are=20 >>> everywhere and fuses no where {:>) >>> >>> In any case, glad you are now aware of the "disable" switch = function=20 >>> regarding doubling the fuel flow through on pair of injectors when = the=20 >>> other is turned off. You can fly easily on one pair - provided it = is=20 >>> doing double duty with the fuel flow. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for that Ed, I am using the EC2 but I hadn't gone through = the=20 >>>> install of it thoroughly yet and wasn't aware of that mode. I'll = make=20 >>>> sure that it's done now. >>>> >>>> I follow what you're saying about breakers instead of fuses and I = have=20 >>>> to agree, but following the Bob Nuckolls school of wiring means = that=20 >>>> the fuses/breakers should be no more than 6" to a foot from the = power=20 >>>> source (battery) and the batteries are behind the rear baggage = area and=20 >>>> no where near the panel. The argument for the fuses to be near = the=20 >>>> source of electric power is also valid considering the fuses are = there=20 >>>> to protect the wiring. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Greg, >>>>> >>>>> Looks like a good electrical system over all. However, I = would=20 >>>>> not feel comfortable with fuses in my critical system power = line.=20 >>>>> But, I see that you are routing two power sources to each switch = of=20 >>>>> your critical system which means if one fuse blows due to a = transit=20 >>>>> spike, the other one, hopefully, will not. Again, this is my = own=20 >>>>> personal bias against fuses in critical systems - there are = arguments=20 >>>>> to the contrary for sure. >>>>> >>>>> One thing I did notice, is looking at your injector power = switches, I=20 >>>>> am not certain if these are meant to be the same as Tracy = Crook's=20 >>>>> Injector disable switches. If they are (and they may not be), I = do=20 >>>>> not see the connection that automatically grounds the "cold = Start"=20 >>>>> mode in the EC2 when either injector pair are disabled (turned = off). >>>>> >>>>> This may be a detail just not shown on the drawing - but it is=20 >>>>> crucially important. If the injector power switch does not have = the=20 >>>>> "cold start" grounding provision, then if you ever switch off = one of=20 >>>>> the injector pairs, your fuel flow will drop approx by 1/2 half. = The=20 >>>>> reason is that (with Tracy's recommended switch set up) when you = turn=20 >>>>> off one pair of injectors , that automatically grounds the "cold = >>>>> start" pin which causes the EC2 to double the duration of the PW = >>>>> (Pulse Width) signal to the remaining injector pair. This in = turn=20 >>>>> doubles the amount of fuel from the active pair of injectors. = If the=20 >>>>> "cold start" is not activated (by automatic grounding of the = cold=20 >>>>> start pin through a DPDT switch) when an injector pair is = switched=20 >>>>> off, then the PW signal does NOT double and the fuel flow = through the=20 >>>>> one injector pair will only be 1/2 of what the engine needs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> Ed Anderson >>>>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered >>>>> Matthews, NC >>>>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com >>>>> = http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW >>>>> = http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20 >>>>> From: "Greg@itmack" = > >>>>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:33 AM >>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Powering fuel injectors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to keep the number of switched down as well, I = attached a=20 >>>>>> pdf >>>>>> with my schematic which is a work in progress for your review. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have noted that a lot of builders reduce a lot of this = complexity=20 >>>>>> by just >>>>>> hanging everything off 1 or 2 fuses which is fine until a fuse = blows=20 >>>>>> and >>>>>> then everything stops. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg RV8 down under >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I am using Z-19 from the Aeroelectric Connection as a guide for = >>>>>>>wiring >>>>>>> my plane. I would like to power the injectors from the = battery=20 >>>>>>> buss. >>>>>>> Looking at Z-19, do I need to install a complete switch and = diode=20 >>>>>>> system >>>>>>> for the injectors like is done for the fuel pump and ECU, or = can I=20 >>>>>>> tie >>>>>>> on to the fuel pump OR the ECU system after either the switch = (add a >>>>>>> separate diode) or after one of the diodes? >>>>>>> There will be the two DPDT switches to disable the primary and = >>>>>>> secondary >>>>>>> injectors after this connection. >>>>>>> My panel is becoming somewhat switch festooned and I would = like to=20 >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>> more switches to a minimum. >>>>>>> How have you guys accomplished this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Bill B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Homepage: = http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C6F501.16962970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can understand the confusion on this (logic wise) but the answer = for=20 me are the real world causes of over-current = conditions. 
 
 A fault in equipment can cause an over-current condition and=20 still leave the device completely or  partially=20 operational.   A solder splash or metal chip bouncing around = can do it=20 too.   Any number of unanticipated things in a wiring harness = can=20 cause an intermittent short (wire chaffing etc.).  We like to=20 think our wiring skills would never allow this to happen but these = things=20 *do* occur, especially when builders are new to electrical = wiring.
 
On the ground it probably makes more sense to fuse or CB the = circuit closer=20 to the actual load.  It *might* prevent further damage to the=20 equipment.  The game is completely different in the air.  I = want the=20 last second of operation out of every piece of gear on the plane when = I'm in the=20 air.  I'll worry about the cost of repairs later when I'm safely on = the=20 ground.
 
Others  have already stated the right reason for = protecting the=20 wire:  Prevention of in-flight fire or smoke in the cockpit.  = That is=20 the ONLY reason I want any system on the plane to shut down.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Saturday, October 21, = 2006 8:43=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuse = Ratings for=20 Wiring??

Yes, Bill, that is what I understand as well.  = BUT, if you=20 are fused for the
equipment load, the wiring is automatically = protected=20 (in a proper design).
In fact, by using a smaller rated fuse = (designed=20 just to protect the
equipment rather than the wiring) you are even = better=20 ensuring that the
wiring won't carry a dangerous load and catch=20 fire.  So again, I can see no
rational reason for fusing to = protect=20 the wire rather than a lower rated
fuse/CB to protect the = equipment=20 (regardless of whether it actually protects
the equipment).  = But,=20 then I've never been accused of being the brightest
turnip on the = tomato=20 truck.

Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill = Schertz"=20 <wschertz@comcast.net>
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Friday, October 20, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuse = Ratings for=20 Wiring??


> Ed,
> I think the objective is to keep = from=20 having a wire-induced fire when you
> get a short to ground. If = the=20 insulation rubs and a short develops, you
> want a fuse/breaker = sized=20 to pop before the wire melts and causes a fire.
>
> If the = equipment has an internal problem, the fuse/breaker isn't going to =
>=20 help save it.
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser # 4045
> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;
>=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>=20 Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:12 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] = Fuse=20 Ratings for Wiring??
>
>
>> One thing  I = have never=20 really understood  regarding  fuses (or CB for
>> = that=20 matter) is  - why you would use a fuse/CB with the rating set to=20
>> protect the wire!!!   If you have a system = operating=20 off a power wire, it
>> is highly likely that the wire will = flow=20 much more current than the
>> system requires by quite a = bit. =20 So if you select a fuse or CB rating
>> that protects the = equipment=20 then automatically it will protect the = wire.
>>
>> =20 However, if you select the rating to protect the wire, the system = could=20
>> easily fry and the fuse or CB might never trigger.  = Just one=20 of those
>> things (wire size) that everybody uses as a = guide for=20 selecting the
>> ratings (Fuse/CB) and yet, it has never = made sense=20 to me (and still does
>> not) = {:>)
>>
>> I=20 guess IF you put more system load  that used more current than a = wire=20
>> was rated for then a fuse sized for the system would not = protect=20 the wire
>> which could over heat.  But, that is simply = a bad=20 wiring decision in
>> selecting too small a wire in the = first place.=20 I guess the rational is
>> better the system fry than the = wire - but=20 not certain I buy it.
>>
>> I don't really lose = sleep over=20 this one - but, I do wonder from time to
>> time about = things we=20 come to accept {:>)
>>
>>
>>=20 Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;
>>=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>=20 Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:47 PM
>> Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Injector Switches !!! was Re: Powering fuel
>>=20 injectors
>>
>>
>>> Welcome,=20 Greg.
>>>
>>> Yes, there are arguments pro and = con=20 about fuses and CB - its about the
>>> only thing I = disagreed=20 with Bob Nuckolls about {:>).  Probably
>>> = influenced by=20 my years flying military aircraft - where CB are
>>> = everywhere=20 and fuses no where {:>)
>>>
>>> In any = case, glad=20 you are now aware of the "disable" switch function
>>> = regarding=20 doubling the fuel flow through on pair of injectors when the =
>>>=20 other is turned off.  You can fly easily on one pair - provided = it is=20
>>> doing double duty with the fuel=20 flow.
>>>
>>>=20 Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for that = Ed,  I am using the EC2 but I hadn't gone through the=20
>>>> install of it thoroughly yet and wasn't aware of = that=20 mode.  I'll make
>>>> sure that it's done=20 now.
>>>>
>>>> I follow what you're = saying about=20 breakers instead of fuses and I have
>>>> to = agree,  but=20 following the Bob Nuckolls school of wiring means that =
>>>>=20 the fuses/breakers should be no more than 6" to a foot from the power=20
>>>> source (battery) and the batteries are behind the = rear=20 baggage area and
>>>> no where near the panel.  = The=20 argument for the fuses to be near the
>>>> source of = electric=20 power is also valid considering the fuses are there =
>>>> to=20 protect the wiring.
>>>>
>>>>=20 Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> = Hi=20 Greg,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a = good=20 electrical system over all.      However, I = would=20
>>>>> not feel comfortable with fuses in my = critical system=20 power line.
>>>>> But, I see that you are routing = two power=20 sources to each switch of
>>>>> your critical = system which=20 means if one fuse blows due to a transit
>>>>> = spike, the=20 other one, hopefully, will not.  Again, this is my own=20
>>>>> personal bias against fuses in critical = systems -=20 there are arguments
>>>>> to the contrary for=20 sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I did = notice,=20 is looking at your injector power switches, I
>>>>> = am not=20 certain if these are meant to be the same as Tracy Crook's=20
>>>>> Injector disable switches.  If they are = (and=20 they may not be), I do
>>>>> not see the connection = that=20 automatically grounds the "cold Start"
>>>>> mode = in the=20 EC2 when either injector pair are disabled (turned=20 off).
>>>>>
>>>>>  This may = be a=20 detail just not shown on the drawing - but it is =
>>>>>=20 crucially important.  If the injector power switch does not have = the=20
>>>>> "cold start" grounding provision, then if you = ever=20 switch off one of
>>>>> the injector pairs, your = fuel flow=20 will drop approx by 1/2 half.  The
>>>>> = reason is=20 that (with Tracy's recommended switch set up) when you turn=20
>>>>> off one pair of injectors , that = automatically=20 grounds the "cold
>>>>> start" pin which causes the = EC2 to=20 double the duration of the PW
>>>>> (Pulse Width) = signal to=20 the remaining injector pair.  This in turn =
>>>>>=20 doubles the amount of fuel from the active pair of injectors.  If = the=20
>>>>> "cold start" is not activated (by automatic = grounding=20 of the cold
>>>>> start pin through a DPDT switch) = when an=20 injector pair is switched
>>>>> off,  then the = PW=20 signal does NOT double and the fuel flow through the =
>>>>>=20 one injector pair will only be 1/2 of what the engine=20 = needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>= ;>=20 Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed=20 Anderson
>>>>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary=20 Powered
>>>>> Matthews, NC
>>>>> = eanderson@carolina.rr.com>>>>>=20 http:/= /members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>>>&g= t;>=20 http://www.dmack.net/mazda= /index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>=20 ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>>>&g= t;>=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>>>>=20 Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:33 AM
>>>>> = Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Powering fuel=20 = injectors
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>= >>>=20 I'm trying to keep the number of switched down as well,  I = attached a=20
>>>>>> pdf
>>>>>> with my = schematic=20 which is a work in progress for your=20 review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have = noted=20 that a lot of builders reduce a lot of this complexity=20
>>>>>> by just
>>>>>> = hanging=20 everything off 1 or 2 fuses which is fine until a fuse blows=20
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then = everything=20 stops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg = RV8 down=20 = under
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>= >>>>
>>>>>>>I=20 am using Z-19 from the Aeroelectric Connection as a guide for=20
>>>>>>>wiring
>>>>>>> = my=20 plane.  I would like to power the injectors from the battery=20
>>>>>>> buss.
>>>>>>> = Looking=20 at Z-19, do I need to install a complete switch and diode=20
>>>>>>> = system
>>>>>>> for=20 the injectors like is done for the fuel pump and ECU, or can I=20
>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>> = on to the=20 fuel pump OR the ECU system after either the switch (add=20 a
>>>>>>> separate diode) or after one of the=20 diodes?
>>>>>>> There will be the two DPDT = switches to=20 disable the primary and
>>>>>>>=20 secondary
>>>>>>> injectors after this=20 connection.
>>>>>>> My panel is becoming = somewhat=20 switch festooned and I would like to
>>>>>>>=20 keep
>>>>>>> more switches to a=20 minimum.
>>>>>>> How have you guys = accomplished=20 this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>=20 Thanks.
>>>>>>> Bill=20 = B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>= >>>>>>=20 --
>>>>>>> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
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>>>>>>
>>>>&= gt;
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