X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.3) with ESMTP id 1349724 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:30:37 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.64; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([209.215.60.133]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060826142950.NARB17119.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:29:50 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [209.215.60.133]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060826142949.SFMJ9470.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: <44F05ADB.4000600@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:29:47 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Exhaust heat (radiant energy) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lehanover@aol.com wrote: > So here is an engine on the dyno at full song. Notice anything > interesting about the exhaust system? The engine is tuned for best > power, and that means just a hair rich of peak EGT. > > It has a short life expectancy. Both the engine and the exhaust system. > > These exhaust systems are .049" and .035" Inconel sheet stock rolled > and welded by hand. I have two of them. They are works of art. > > Notice that the turbo must be supported. Even the Inconel has much > reduced strength in this situation. > > At 900 HP and 28% efficiency how many BTUs are we looking at leaving > as waste heat? > > So if you were to ceramic coat inside and out, and then heat wrap the > tubes the heat left in the exhaust gasses would be astounding. These > headers are exposed to the airstream in the race car. Not so in the > airplane. Even the tip of the exhaust pipe should be turned slightly > away from the airframe. The EGT measured at the port will diminish > only slightly at the tip of the pipe, if you insulate the pipe. You > cannot hold your hand even a foot from these pipes for even a few seconds. > > Lynn E. Hanover I love those cool (?) pics of engines running full bore. Any thoughts on why the 1st 6-8" of the headers *aren't* glowing? Is the head sapping off that much heat from the headers? And if so, would some form of ceramic insulator between engine & header help keep exhaust heat out of the engine block? Charlie