X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.137.4] (HELO imo-m23.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1314386 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:24:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.4; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.c0d.ed39ed (14501) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:24:05 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: First flight - oil temp To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1155086645" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1155086645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en =20 In a message dated 8/8/2006 5:03:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 ALVentures@cox.net writes: =20 My limited understanding was/is that the fear in high oil temps was=20 permanent set in the side seals. Didn't get the pan oil temp for the lack=20= of =E2=80=98paging=E2=80=99 of the monitor screen. The oil pressure was about 85 psi. What sort of=20 alloy of indium is used on the bearings? =20 =20 You can reduce oil temps by limiting throttle settings. A slight reduction=20 can make a big difference. Also reduced ignition advance and richer mixture= =20 settings help. =20 The mixture during full power climb was lean =E2=80=93 O2 sensor at the bot= tom of=20 the scale. The pilot didn=E2=80=99t recognize the need to tweak the mixtur= e knob, and=20 the MAP was a bit higher (~1=E2=80=9D hg) then I had ever seen on static due= to the=20 dynamic pressure of the ram induction scoop.=20 Al I have never seen a side seal fail due to anything. They do get damaged=20 during other misadventures. Alloys of lead and indium and maybe aluminum ar= e all=20 used by various MFRs for the top layer of their bearings. Racers use the race bearings with =20 .0005" extra clearance or machine away the overlay and run on the copper =20 substrate. The overlay is just under .001" thick so the extra clearance is j= ust right.=20 Copper is a very strong bearing material, but less forgiving of dirt =20 particles than the indium. =20 A more typical take off power setting would be full rich. A Continental O55= 0=20 might use 32 GPH for take off and then cruise lean of peak at 13 GPH or eve= n=20 less. The cylinder head temps must be seen to be believed. Properly operate= d=20 engines, even those "piston ones" can actually go to overhaul with the original cylinder still on them.=20 =20 Just going richer might be enough to get the oil temps under control. If th= e=20 high temps are just from take off and climb, then a water spray on the oil =20 cooler might work just fine. =20 Running a little bit lean of peak EGT will not hurt anything but will raise=20= =20 operating temps. Both oil and water.=20 =20 Cruise should be more lean yet so that the percent of full power is a =20 function of fuel consumption. The rotary will run almost 200 degrees lean of= peak=20 EGT, and how close is a function of the ignition system performance and plu= g=20 gap. Of course the amount of power is also way down along with fuel =20 consumption. Mixtures well lean of peak are also very cool running for water= and oil=20 temps. Simple, Less heat from less fuel =3D less heat. =20 Lynn E. Hanover -------------------------------1155086645 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
In a message dated 8/8/2006 5:03:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 ALVentures@cox.net writes:
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My limited=20 understanding was/is that the fear in high oil temps was permanent set in=20= the=20 side seals.  Didn't get the pan oil temp for the lack of =E2=80=98pag= ing=E2=80=99 of the=20 monitor screen. The oil pressure was about 85 psi. What sort of alloy of=20 indium is used on the bearings?

 

= You can=20 reduce oil temps by limiting throttle settings. A slight reduction can mak= e a=20 big difference. Also reduced ignition advance and richer mixture settings=20 help.

 

The mixture d= uring=20 full power climb was lean =E2=80=93 O2 sensor at the bottom of=20= the=20 scale.  The pilot didn=E2=80=99t recognize the need to tweak the mixt= ure knob,=20 and the MAP was a bit higher (~1=E2=80=9D hg) then I had ever seen on stat= ic due to=20 the dynamic pressure of the ram induction scoop.

 

Al

I have never seen a side seal fail due to anything. They do get=20 damaged during other misadventures. Alloys of lead and indium and maybe alum= inum=20 are all used by various MFRs
for the top layer of their bearings. Racers use the race bearings with=20 .0005" extra clearance or machine away the overlay and run on the copper=20 substrate. The overlay is just under .001" thick so the extra clearance is j= ust=20 right. Copper is a very strong bearing material, but less forgiving of dirt=20 particles than the indium.
 
A more typical take off power setting would be full rich. A Continental= =20 O550 might use 32 GPH for take off and then cruise lean of peak at 13 GPH or= =20 even less. The cylinder head temps must be seen to be believed. Properly=20 operated engines, even those "piston ones"
can actually go to overhaul with the original cylinder still on=20 them. 
 
Just going richer might be enough to get the oil temps under control. I= f=20 the high temps are just from take off and climb, then a water spray on the o= il=20 cooler might work just fine.
 
Running a little bit lean of peak EGT will not hurt anything but will r= aise=20 operating temps. Both oil and water.
 
Cruise should be more lean yet so that the percent of full power i= s a=20 function of fuel consumption. The rotary will run almost 200 degrees lean of= =20 peak EGT, and how close is a function of the ignition system performance and= =20 plug gap. Of course the amount of power is also way down along with fuel=20 consumption. Mixtures well lean of peak are also very cool running for water= and=20 oil temps. Simple, Less heat from less fuel =3D less heat.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
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