X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1301013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:45:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-111-186.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.111.186]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k751jBHP010175 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c6b830$d18b5bf0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: NO2 Bottle Explosion Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:45:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6B80F.4A1813F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6B80F.4A1813F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we are in "violent" agreement, Bill {:>). For short, high-power burst of energy N02 is simply,light and = relatively cheap. Anything that contains energy (car battery for = example ) can be dangerous under the right circumstances. Whether its = acceptable is basically determine by the individuals "Risk Profile" - = what do you feel comfortable with. =20 Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WRJJRS@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: NO2 Bottle Explosion In a message dated 8/4/2006 5:11:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Hi Bill, =20 Yes, I realize that being only an oxidizer that without fuel, you = would not have a combustion type explosion. But as the photo of the = guy's car shows - even the overheated bottle by itself made an = impressive amount of shredded metal out of his car. Like you point out = - a burst water heater can do an unbelievable amount of damage. =20 But, I hate to think of what it would have been like had fuel been = available when the bottle burst. =20 Since the bottle shows no sign of scorching, fairly clear no = combustion took place.=20 Here's the link if you want to look at more photos = http://www.healthyhome.net/NOS2.htm One thing having this happen to back-end of parked car, another = thing to think of it in my airplane. Not trying to imply NO2 is not safe handled properly - Its just I = just don't need THAT kind of boost {:>). Ed The burst pressure of a well designed pressure vessel can be amazing! = No need for more photos I truly understand what can happen with too much = pressure. Gasoline explosions can be truly impressive as well. It all = depends on what you are comfortable with. The only point I was making = was that the complexity and weight of a electrically driven supercharger = would be major, (think of the manifolding!), whereas the Nos bottle and = plumbing including controls could be less than 10 pounds for a small = bottle. Just the thing for a "little help" occasionally. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6B80F.4A1813F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we are in "violent" agreement, Bill=20 {:>).
 
  For short, high-power burst of energy N02 is=20 simply,light and relatively cheap.  Anything that contains energy = (car=20 battery for example ) can be dangerous under the right = circumstances. =20 Whether its acceptable is basically determine by the individuals "Risk = Profile"=20 - what do you feel comfortable with. 
 
Ed
 
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: NO2 = Bottle=20 Explosion

In a message dated 8/4/2006 5:11:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 writes:
Hi Bill, 
 
Yes, I realize that being only an oxidizer = that=20 without fuel, you would not have a combustion type explosion.  = But as=20 the photo of the guy's car shows - even the overheated bottle by = itself made=20 an impressive amount of shredded metal out of his car.  Like = you point=20 out - a burst water heater can do an unbelievable amount of=20 damage.  
 
But,  I hate to think of what it would = have been=20 like had fuel been available when the bottle burst.  =
 
Since the bottle shows no sign of scorching, = fairly=20 clear no combustion took place. 
 
  Here's the link if you want to = look at=20 more photos  http://www.healthyhome.net/N= OS2.htm
 
One thing having this happen to back-end of = parked=20 car, another thing to think of it in my airplane.
 
Not trying to  imply=20 NO2 is not safe handled properly - Its just I just don't need = THAT kind=20 of boost {:>).
 
 
Ed
The burst pressure of a well designed pressure vessel can be = amazing! No need for more photos I truly understand what can happen = with too=20 much pressure. Gasoline explosions can be truly impressive as well. It = all=20 depends on what you are comfortable with. The only point I was making = was that=20 the complexity and weight of a electrically driven supercharger would = be=20 major, (think of the manifolding!), whereas the Nos bottle and = plumbing=20 including controls could be less than 10 pounds for a small bottle. = Just the=20 thing for a "little help" occasionally.
 
Bill
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