Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #2989
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Shady Bend Flyin Presentation: Mazda DIE effect and Increased Performance
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:34:13 -0400
To: flyrotary <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Cc: Laura Crook <laura_crook@hotmail.com>, Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Does he really have DIE? - No, its not some new virus or social disease, it's associated with performance and the rotary engine. In fact a presentation on DIE will be presented at the Shady Bend Rotary flyin in October (see outline at end of message)
 
As those of you who may also be on the rotaryengine list know, Paul and I have gone around a bit about whether or not my 48" (port - port) intake ever provide the dynamic intake effect (DIE) (self supercharging of the rotary engine) at a high enough rpm to be of use for aircraft application.
 
Paul maintains (correctly, I might add) that with 48" intake manifold (length on the 1988 NA 13B)  the Mazda data (rpm/torque/hp curves) clearly shows that the DIE effect occurs around 3500 rpm for the pre 1990 NA 13B.  That much was clearly evident in the Mazda data.  But, I knew something was causing my engine to go from a static rpm of 5200 nominal on a 70F + day to 5800 on a cold day.  At first I convinced myself that the lower density altitude due to the cold was causing a small HP increase enough to put my prop in the "stalled" condition.  But, I finally figured out that was not the case.  Paul suggested the Helmholtz Resonance effect, but after working on that approach for a while, I decided that did not provide the answer.  So I turned back to the DIE. 
 
Paul was kind enough to provide me with some of his SAE Mazda Papers.  I am not certain whether to keep me busy and from pestering him or to educate me (I chose to think the latter). After we exchanged a few more e mails,  he made it fairly clear, as only Paul can do, that as far as he was concerned the topic was closed and that I should radically shorten the planned intake for my 3rd intake (the one with the plastic plenum).  So I knew it was time to drop the debate with Paul.
 
 In any case amongst the SAE papers that Paul was a gent to provide,  I finally realized I was looking at the KEY bit of information.  In other words,  I found (at long last) the answer after much head scratching, skull work and spread sheet doodling. 
 
The answer is that Paul IS correct IF you have a STOCK NA 13B block - with the STOCK Intake manifold and operating under stock conditions. Otherwise, all bets are off where the DIE rpm point may occur at.
 
It turns out,  I WAS also correct.  I was indeed getting a increase in power from the DIE in the mid 5000 rpm range with a 48" Length manifold but did not understand how that was possible at the time.
 
Let me make it clear that when I say a manifold length of 48" that is the total distance from the intake port of the front rotor through the intake manifold past the throttle body to the intake port of the rear rotor.  In other words, it includes the 2.5" inches distance into the block to the port opening as well.  So approx 1/2 of that distance (minus the internal block distance) is my runner length.
 
Anyhow, Once I had completed the analysis a number of things I had noticed with my engine became clear.  My analysis will show how that is possible - no not possible - ordained (not in the religious sense) that I would get DIE at a mid 5000 rpm with a 48" length.   Paul's advice to make my intake shorter was incorrect but only because MY engine  is NOT STOCK. And to be fair, neither of use really understood the effect of the variables involved at that point.  So Paul was relying on the Mazda data he had which ,of course, is for a stock engine.
 
The 3rd manifold  ended up too short as I completed it  before I completed my analysis, darn!.  However, its short length was not a result of following Paul's advice.   I ran into a physical configuration constraint with the size of the new plastic plenum that forced me to make the manifold length around 42".  And no, no DIE effect in my operating rpm range - it turns out the DIE for this manifold is above my normal RPM operating range for MY ENGINE.
 
It  took me over a month of sitting down and working out the real details (never before revealed {:>)) of the variables involved and the relationships among them (in other words equations that could be used).
 
RPM and Manifold Length are only two of the variables that I have identified  that have a significant effect at what RPM the DIE effect occurs. actually there are over twice as many.  If any of these variables are not operating as designed for on a STOCK NA 13B with the stock intake manifold, then the DIE will not occur at the Mazda designed RPM point - BUT it can still occur, the question is at what new point.
 
I have a presentation that I am whittling down from its current 60 VuGraphs (arrggg!) to be presented at the Shady Bend Flyin in late October.  I will not reveal the findings before then, but if your are interested the outline of the briefing is:
 
Dynamic Intake Effect - The Concept (This is just a few introductory Vugraphs to reacquaint or introduce the newcomer to the dynamic intake effect concept that Mazda used)
 
Dynamic Intake Effect - The Analysis and Synthesis (This is guts of the presentation taking you through the analysis, the identification of the variables, and their influence on the DIE and showing the relationships of these variables (no math higher than simple algebra) with a number of charts and graphs showing this stuff - currently 31 vgs)
 
Dynamic Intake Effect - The Comparison with Ground Truth (The dicey part {:>) - where I show how well the numbers that my equations come up with stack up against what hard facts we know about the effect - from Mazda itself.  I create some parametric curves based on the equations derived that correlate manifold length with RPM for the DIE effect holding the other terms constant, its really pretty straight forward once you see it (says I) - currently 29 vgs)
 
I think you will find it interesting (if I don't put you to sleep).
 
Hope to see you there. Check Tracy and Laura's website for details of the flyin. Please let Laura know if you plan on coming.
 
Best Regards
 
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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