Return-Path: <13brv3@bellsouth.net> Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.71] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 2579372 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:18:07 -0400 Received: from rad ([68.212.12.251]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030915001804.FPBF1849.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@rad> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:18:04 -0400 From: "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Good news, Bad news Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:18:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c37b1e$d586c340$0201a8c0@rad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C37AF4.ECB0BB40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C37AF4.ECB0BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you remove the turbo for a noisy test run on the ground? see if you = get more static on the ground then with turbo. =20 Marko=20 =20 Unless you're worried about exhaust restriction from the turbo, I can = just disconnect the hose that runs from the turbo compressor to the intake pressure box. I've thought about doing that, but don't figure it's too = good for the turbo, so I wouldn't want to do it for long. The other problem = is that I've proven that my static rpms are always in partial stall mode, = so the static number ends up being higher than what I see in climb. =20 =20 On a side note, some of the "wallowing" that I complained about with the Tiny Tach was probably the prop stalling and unstalling during high = power runs since I was pointing into about a 15 kt gusty wind. FWIW, the tach = has been rock solid since I shielded the pickup wire. =20 =20 I went to the airport to stare at the engine today. I'm starting to = line up my options for the re-work. The whole thing hinges on whether I keep = the turbo or not. Either way, I have to come up with a custom intake, a smaller alternator, and also hack off the thermostat housing to reduce = the height (or go back to plan A of an EWP). =20 =20 If I scrap the turbo, then my best course is to follow suit with = everyone else, and install the evap cores in the cheeks, with the oil cooler = under the engine. I could use a stock cowl from Van's and save myself a huge = pile of fiberglass work. As you can imagine, there are bonus points for any = plan that saves fiberglass work. The other upside to this is that the plane would be much lighter, and would retain the normal aerodynamics of an = RV-3, with the exception of the muffler on the belly. It's certainly the most conventional plan, but I've never been known for being conventional :-) =20 If I keep the turbo, I'll start with a 4" prop extension, and about a = 16" spinner like Mike Wills did (why hasn't he been bustin my chops = recently? Goodness knows I've given him ample opportunity ). This gives more = room for proper shaping of the cowl. I'll still have to keep the middle and rear of the cheeks to house the turbo and throttle body, as well as = using the rear as the air outlet, but the front corners can be lopped off. On = the bottom, I'll go with a smaller radiator, and bring the front edge of it = back about 10 inches. The whole radiator/oil cooler combo can be raised = about 2" as well. There will still have to be a scoop on the bottom, but it will = be night and day different from the current monstrosity. =20 =20 Lots to think about. One of my first calls will be to Warp Drive = tomorrow, and I'll report any HP figures that they can come up with. =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty (recovering from the denial stage) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C37AF4.ECB0BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Can=20 you remove the turbo for a noisy test run on the ground? see if you get = more=20 static on the ground then with turbo.
 
Marko 
 
Unless you're = worried about=20 exhaust restriction from the turbo, I can just disconnect = the hose=20 that runs from the turbo compressor to the intake pressure = box.  I've=20 thought about doing that, but don't figure it's too good for = the=20 turbo, so I wouldn't want to do it for long.  The other = problem is=20 that I've proven that my static rpms are always in partial stall = mode, so=20 the static number ends up being higher than what I see in=20 climb.  
 
On a side = note, some of=20 the "wallowing" that I complained about with the Tiny Tach was = probably the prop stalling and unstalling during high power runs since I = was=20 pointing into about a 15 kt gusty wind.  FWIW, the tach has = been rock=20 solid since I shielded the pickup=20 wire.  
 
I went to the = airport to=20 stare at the engine today.  I'm starting to line up my options for = the=20 re-work.  The whole thing hinges on whether I keep the turbo or=20 not.   Either way, I have to come up with a custom intake, a = smaller=20 alternator, and also hack off the thermostat housing to reduce the = height (or go=20 back to plan A of an EWP).  =  
 
If I scrap the = turbo, then=20 my best course is to follow suit with everyone else, and install the = evap cores=20 in the cheeks, with the oil cooler under the engine.  I could use a = stock=20 cowl from Van's and save myself a huge pile of fiberglass = work.  As=20 you can imagine, there are bonus points for any plan that saves = fiberglass=20 work.  The other upside to this is that the plane would be much = lighter,=20 and would retain the normal aerodynamics of an RV-3, with the exception=20 of the muffler on the belly.  It's certainly the most=20 conventional plan, but I've never been known for being conventional = :-)
 
If I keep the turbo, I'll = start with a 4"=20 prop extension, and about a 16" spinner like Mike Wills did (why hasn't = he been=20 bustin my chops recently?  Goodness knows I've given him ample = opportunity=20 <g>).  This gives more room for proper shaping of the=20 cowl.   I'll still have to keep the middle and rear of the = cheeks to=20 house the turbo and throttle body, as well as using the rear as the air = outlet,=20 but the front corners can be lopped off.  On the bottom, I'll = go with=20 a smaller radiator, and bring the front edge of it back about 10=20 inches.  The whole radiator/oil cooler combo can be raised about 2" = as=20 well.  There will still have to be a scoop on the bottom, but = it will=20 be night and day different from the current=20 monstrosity.  
 
Lots to think about.  One = of my first=20 calls will be to Warp Drive tomorrow, and I'll report any HP figures = that they=20 can come up with. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty (recovering from = the denial=20 stage)
 
 
  
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