X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.184] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTPS id 914546 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:19:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.184; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-105-133-79.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.105.133.79]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k05NIEgN012237 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:18:17 +1100 Message-ID: <008301c6124e$4f239980$4f85693a@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Dodge vs Ford Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:18:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C612A2.20384B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C612A2.20384B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dodge vs FordKen, Good info - keep it coming! Now just find me an overdrive, straight cut gears (NEW) with a 2.5:1 = ratio, steel planet with gears running on needle bearings, with a RH = Turning prop.=20 That shouldn't be too hard - I'm seriously looking to have one made!=20 I wonder where Mistral gets theirs from? George ( down under) Here is is an email that was sent to me to forward to you all from = a friend of mine that talked me out of building a C-6 based 3.17 ratio = gearbox and talked me into using the 3.21 Dodge gears. He is not on this list but you may have heard of him as he is on the = rotary roster as he is building a Coot with a rotary and he is using one = of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be flying it this summer. He thinks I am nuts going away from the belt drive that I have put = 900 trouble free hrs on and says he will stick with the belt even though = works on transmissions for a living. Ken Welter Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Arnold Subject: Re: Fwd Re: [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning! PSRU Ratios X-Originating-IP: [66.218.79.59] To: Ken Welter One thing I can tell you is that in the last 15 plus years that I = have dealt with planetaries, I still see Ford sun gears coming apart in = 80% of units I take apart and I have yet to find a bad Dodge sun gear = with the exception on total planet meltdown due to a plugged trans = cooler. I am not an engineer, just an observer and a very qualified = transmission expert. Another thing I can tell you is that it was not the amount of pinion = gears that were put into the Ford planets that made it better, it was = the change from aluminum to steel to keep the splines from stripping = out. Also, the Ford planets are only being used (loaded) during up = shifts and the Dodge planet set in question is being used during the = long period of time the truck is towing the trailer down the highway in = overdrive. Good luck with your ratio debate and I hope this info is of help. Arnold Norton ASE certified American Transmissions ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C612A2.20384B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dodge vs Ford
Ken,
Good info - keep it = coming!
Now just find me an overdrive, straight = cut gears=20 (NEW) with a 2.5:1 ratio, steel planet with  gears running on = needle=20 bearings, with a RH Turning prop. 
That shouldn't be too hard - I'm = seriously looking=20 to have one made! 
I wonder where Mistral gets theirs=20 from?
George ( down under)
   Here is is an email that was = sent to me=20 to forward to you all from a friend of mine that talked me out of = building a=20 C-6 based 3.17 ratio gearbox and talked me into using the 3.21 Dodge=20 gears.
  He is not on this list but you may = have heard=20 of him as he is on the rotary roster as he is building a Coot with a = rotary=20 and he is using one of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be flying it = this=20 summer.
  He thinks I am nuts going away from = the belt=20 drive that I have put 900 trouble free hrs on and says he will stick = with the=20 belt even though works on transmissions for a living.
 
  Ken Welter







Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:47:42 = -0800=20 (PST)
From: Arnold <vwsandndirt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: = Fwd Re:=20 [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning!   PSRU = Ratios
X-Originating-IP:=20 [66.218.79.59]
To: Ken Welter=20 <rotary.coot@verizon.net>
One thing I can tell = you is that=20 in the last 15 plus years that I have dealt with planetaries, I = still=20 see Ford sun gears coming apart in 80% of units I take apart and I = have yet=20 to find a bad Dodge sun gear with the exception on total planet = meltdown due=20 to a plugged trans cooler.  I am not an engineer, just an = observer and=20 a very qualified transmission expert.
 
Another thing I can tell you is = that it was=20 not the amount of pinion gears that were put into the Ford planets = that made=20 it better, it was the change from aluminum to steel to keep the = splines from=20 stripping out.  Also, the Ford planets are only being used = (loaded)=20 during up shifts and the Dodge planet set in question is being used = during=20 the long period of time the truck is towing the trailer down the = highway in=20 overdrive.
 
Good luck with your ratio debate = and I hope=20 this info is of help.
 
Arnold Norton    = ASE=20 certified
American=20 Transmissions
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