X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 911272 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:13 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.202.56; envelope-from=kenpowell@comcast.net Received: from smailcenter42.comcast.net ([204.127.205.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060103172228012007qnase>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:22:28 +0000 Received: from [68.51.59.7] by smailcenter42.comcast.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:22:27 +0000 From: kenpowell@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: QB RV-8 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:22:27 +0000 Message-Id: <010320061722.13861.43BAB2D30003706E00003625220074818404040A99019F020A05@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VucG93ZWxsQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13861_1136308947_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13861_1136308947_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yep, looks doable for someone who has built a couple of RV's. My kids may be grown but work and 'home projects' (plus the restoration of my '89 Mustang) keep me from getting back to my RV-4 project. I REALLY' believe that I will make progress this year though, especially since Ed (Anderson) keeps motivating me. Ken Powell Bryant, Arkansas 501-847-4721 C150 / RV-4 under construction -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net> Can you really build a RV-8 Quickbuild in 9 months while still holding a full time job? When do you sleep!!!! How? (serious question) How many hours do you think it will take? Hi Ken, At first, this sounds impossible, but on paper, it's quite reasonable. I've built about 2.5 RV's so far, including a standard kit RV-8. I spent 1602 hours over 2.5 years building the earlier -8, but again, that was a standard kit. The new kit is a QB, which is supposed to save 800-1000 hours. If it saves 800 hours, then I will only need 800 to get the plane flying (not painted, or with fairings, etc). You can probably knock off another 100 hours due to the fact that the new kits are so much better than the older ones. For example, the empennage is all "match hole" construction now, which means you just cleco it together on the workbench. All the steel parts are powder coated, which saves me the time of painting all that stuff. I'll also save considerable time staring at the plans, and debating options such as where to put the antenna, ELT, headset jacks, etc. Having "been there, done that" before, is a huge advantage. Van's also sells a FWF package now, that has everything you need, including all the pre-made hoses. Not only will this save the time of making the hoses, but it will save the time spent shopping for these items, forgetting something, ordering the wrong part, etc. That shopping time wasn't included in the earlier total, but the time saved will now be available for actual building. The other advantage(?) is a change in vacation policy with Philips this year. They now only allow you to carry over a small amount of saved vacation from one year to the next, rather than the 6 weeks we used to be able to carry. Since I'm maxed on vacation time, and accumulate it rapidly, I will need to take 8 weeks of vacation this year to keep from losing any time. I can easily work on the plane 70 hours in a vacation week, so that's 560 hours right there. The real time savings is the fact that I have no kids, or social life, and a wife who doesn't pile up too many honey-do's. As you see, it's possible, but still optimistic. Cheers, Rusty (when will this message arrive, instantly, or 2.5 days later) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13861_1136308947_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yep, looks doable for someone who has built a couple of RV's.  My kids may be grown but work and 'home projects' (plus the restoration of my '89 Mustang) keep me from getting back to my RV-4 project.  I REALLY' believe that I will make progress this year though, especially since Ed (Anderson) keeps motivating me.

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721
C150 / RV-4 under construction
 
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From: "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Can you really build a RV-8 Quickbuild in 9 months while still holding a full time job?  When do you sleep!!!!  How? (serious question)  How many hours do you think it will take? 
 
Hi Ken,
 
At first, this sounds impossible, but on paper, it's quite reasonable.  I've built about 2.5 RV's so far, including a standard kit RV-8.  I spent 1602 hours over 2.5 years building the earlier -8, but again, that was a standard kit. 
 
The new kit is a QB, which is supposed to save 800-1000 hours.  If it saves 800 hours, then I will only need 800 to get the plane flying (not painted, or with fairings, etc).  You can probably knock off another 100 hours due to the fact that the new kits are so much better than the older ones.  For example, the empennage is all "match hole" construction now, which means you just cleco it together on the workbench.  All the steel parts are powder coated, which saves me the time of painting all that stuff.  I'll also save considerable time staring at the plans, and debating options such as where to put the antenna, ELT, headset jacks, etc.  Having "been there, done that" before, is a huge advantage.  Van's also sells a FWF package now, that has everything you need, including all the pre-made hoses.  Not only will this save the time of making the hoses, but it will save the time spent shopping for these items, forgetting something, ordering the wrong part, etc.  That shopping time wasn't included in the earlier total, but the time saved will now be available for actual building. 
 
The other advantage(?) is a change in vacation policy with Philips this year.  They now only allow you to carry over a small amount of saved vacation from one year to the next, rather than the 6 weeks we used to be able to carry.  Since I'm maxed on vacation time, and accumulate it rapidly, I will need to take 8 weeks of vacation this year to keep from losing any time.  I can easily work on the plane 70 hours in a vacation week, so that's 560 hours right there. 
 
The real time savings is the fact that I have no kids, or social life, and a wife who doesn't pile up too many honey-do's. 
 
As you see, it's possible, but still optimistic. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty (when will this message arrive, instantly, or 2.5 days later)
 
 
 
 
 
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